I don't think any one is saying the defense was garbage. Mooseheads didn't give up many shots but what they did give up, almost always, was a prime scoring chance.
First of all, I will admit that I never watched Zach Fucale play, ever! (And please don't come with unoriginal comments such as '/thread')
That sounds pretty garbage.
I'd rather face 40 outside shots, rather than 20 in prime real estate.
So garbage they won the Memorial Cup and were one of the best junior teams in history, but yeah, ok.
First of all, I will admit that I never watched Zach Fucale play, ever! (And please don't come with unoriginal comments such as '/thread')
So I was looking at his juniors stats with Halifax like his save % and GAA and the first thing that crossed my mind was: 'Is this guy really considered as a steal?'
Don't get me wrong, his stats aren't bad at all. I just find them average for a potentially 'best goalie of the draft' or 'future no. 1 goalie in the NHL'. or a franchise goalie like Craig Button said.
Zach Fucale
16 years old: 0.892% - 3.16 - 58gp
17 years old: 0.909% - 2.35 - 55gp
Some good stats when we look at it, but he couldn't do better with a monster team last season???
If we look at other top prospects goalies
Tristan Jarry
16 years old: 0.894% - 2.93 - 14gp
17 years old: 0.936% - 1.61 - 27gp
He was drafted 8 spots after Fucale. He played less games and he had some better stats with a western powerhouse like the Edmonton Oil Kings. Could he be way better than Fucale?
Malcolm Subban
16 years old: 0.900% - 3.16 - 32gp
17 years old: 0.923% - 2.50 - 39gp
18 years old: 0.934% - 2.14 - 46gp (after draft)
Better stats for Subban at 16 and 17 by far, but in a poll on this threadhttp://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1464575, Fucale won by a small margin, even with the stats I showed you.
My hypotheses:
-Maybe Fucale is overated
-Maybe Fucale is better when you watch him live than on paper
-Maybe Fucale is one of the reason why Halifax were great
-Even if Halifax were dominating the CHL, they weren't the best defensive team
-There is a reason why Fucale fell to the 34th spot if he was ranked way higher
I don't know what to think. Somebody told me he looked like a stud goalie when he's in the net, etc. But when I look at other goalies stats drafted in the first 2 rounds last couples of years, most of them are better than Fucale on paper.
So, I just want to know what you guys expect from him, what you say that makes him special, am I right or wrong about something, etc.?
I'm not hating on him. I want him to be good or great for ys, but I find it weird that we passed on guys like Zykov for such a dangerous gamble.
Tell me more about him. I red a lot of things about him but I still can't tell why he's supposed to be a future no. 1.
Thanks for your help.
EDIT: Do you guys expect him to make team Canada junior? (as a starter or backup) and how strong his next season will be with a different Mooseheads team?
Great post...as if written by a pro scout!
This thread has quickly become a Fucale appreciation thread! (and love mostly reading that Fucale was ''clutch'' and one of the important MVPs for a junior powerhouse team).
I've never seen Fucale, Drouin, or MacKinnon play live, so reading all this is so helpful. Cheers!
So happy we have Fucale! (surprised he wasn't drafted in the top 15-20 from everything I've read about him...I guess we got lucky with other teams' goalie needs).
The scouts did not saw in Moose d-men as very good.This myth that the Mooseheads didn't have a good defense is garage. Purely based upon peoples knowledge of how good the offense was so it's assumed they were just throwing 6 guys out there on the blue line and outscoring everyone.
So false. The group was very functional, under rated I would say because of just how good the offense was. Credit also needs to be given to the forward group for their defensive play, and Dominic Ducharme for how well the plays bought into his system all year. Halifax played great team defense, from the goalie out.
I don't know how good Fucale will end up being in the NHL, but based off of what I've seen so far, I'm sure he'll be pretty solid.
What do you expect?
Hey ya fool, how many times will I need to say I just want some ****ing answers and I'm not here trying to tell everybody he sucks.
I think you've done a good job qualifying that but you really really didn't do yourself any favours by using the word 'skeptical' in the thread title and then immediately saying you've never seen him play.
Unfortunately, you'll probably have to deal with posts like this. I wouldn't take it personally. Nature of the beast.
Well I was honest and now with the great answers that you guys gave me, I'm very less skeptical!
He's French, right?
Why should we take your word for it that Zykov would have been a better pick than Fucale? For one thing the Habs need more depth at goaltending.I said it and will say it again, it has to be the worst draft ever for goaltenders.. Im not a Fucale fan, I think thats a wasted pick while we could have drafted Zykov..
First of all, I will admit that I never watched Zach Fucale play, ever! (And please don't come with unoriginal comments such as '/thread')
So I was looking at his juniors stats with Halifax like his save % and GAA and the first thing that crossed my mind was: 'Is this guy really considered as a steal?'
Don't get me wrong, his stats aren't bad at all. I just find them average for a potentially 'best goalie of the draft' or 'future no. 1 goalie in the NHL'. or a franchise goalie like Craig Button said.
Zach Fucale
16 years old: 0.892% - 3.16 - 58gp
17 years old: 0.909% - 2.35 - 55gp
Some good stats when we look at it, but he couldn't do better with a monster team last season???
If we look at other top prospects goalies
Tristan Jarry
16 years old: 0.894% - 2.93 - 14gp
17 years old: 0.936% - 1.61 - 27gp
He was drafted 8 spots after Fucale. He played less games and he had some better stats with a western powerhouse like the Edmonton Oil Kings. Could he be way better than Fucale?
Malcolm Subban
16 years old: 0.900% - 3.16 - 32gp
17 years old: 0.923% - 2.50 - 39gp
18 years old: 0.934% - 2.14 - 46gp (after draft)
Better stats for Subban at 16 and 17 by far, but in a poll on this threadhttp://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1464575, Fucale won by a small margin, even with the stats I showed you.
My hypotheses:
-Maybe Fucale is overated
-Maybe Fucale is better when you watch him live than on paper
-Maybe Fucale is one of the reason why Halifax were great
-Even if Halifax were dominating the CHL, they weren't the best defensive team
-There is a reason why Fucale fell to the 34th spot if he was ranked way higher
I don't know what to think. Somebody told me he looked like a stud goalie when he's in the net, etc. But when I look at other goalies stats drafted in the first 2 rounds last couples of years, most of them are better than Fucale on paper.
So, I just want to know what you guys expect from him, what you say that makes him special, am I right or wrong about something, etc.?
I'm not hating on him. I want him to be good or great for ys, but I find it weird that we passed on guys like Zykov for such a dangerous gamble.
Tell me more about him. I red a lot of things about him but I still can't tell why he's supposed to be a future no. 1.
Thanks for your help.
EDIT: Do you guys expect him to make team Canada junior? (as a starter or backup) and how strong his next season will be with a different Mooseheads team?
Why should we take your word for it that Zykov would have been a better pick than Fucale? For one thing the Habs need more depth at goaltending.
Well thats only my personal opinion..I think Fucale is at the very best a poor man Price and while I know there is no guarentee, I really believe Price will have a wonderful carreer in the bleu blanc and rouge.. Its only a matter of time before he gets the recognition he deserves.. We drafted Fucale to fill a need in the prospects pool but we missed the chance to add another great skilled prospect in Zykov, a guy who never should have slipped that low and easily the best player avalaible IMO.. Hopefully Im wrong and that Fucale has a wonderful progression and that Zykov dont become that good but thats unfortunately not the feel I have..