Your top non-HOFers at each position

[arrbez]

Since these HOF threads pop up a lot, I thought it would be fun to name the players you feel should be in there. List only players who have passed the mandatory waiting period for eligibility (obviously). You can do it by position, or all together. If you think the Hall is too full as it is, simply list the guys who you would have next in line if you had to induct someone. Do it in order from the most deserving. I'll get to work on mine.

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[reckoning]

G- Jiri Holecek
D- Valeri Vasiliev
LW- Anatoli Firsov
C- Adam Oates
RW- Sergei Makarov

 

[arrbez]

haha, I didn't even have the older Europeans in mind when I made this thread because it's so obvious that so many of them should be in. I was thinking more along the lines of NHLers, since they've been passed over, while the international players have just plain been ignored.

 

[pitseleh]

Ignoring the Europeans, my team in order:

C Adam Oates - he'll be in, just went up against a stacked induction class last time around.

D Mark Howe - one of the best defensemen of one of the deepest eras for defensemen. Any defenseman who can get three first team all-stars against that competition deserves to be in.

D J.C. Tremblay - maybe he's not inducted based on his NHL career, but with his WHA career factored in I think he makes the cut.

G Rogie Vachon - played on a bunch of crappy teams but was still a great goalie. I haven't seen much, but all of the games I've seen him, he's really impressed me.

RW Pavel Bure - doesn't have the career of a scorer like Hull, but his peak is outstanding and he was often working as a one man team. His playoff performances are quite strong too.

LW Paul Thompson - my darkhorse. The guy was a star during the 30's, the top scoring player in the league over a five year period and strong defensive player. He was a key part of two Cup winners too. Thompson is the kind of player I would have expected the veteran's committee would have uncovered and deserved to go in ahead of some of their selections (IMO) like Harry Watson.

Others that I think should at least receive consideration: Eric Lindros, Doug Gilmour, and Cecil Dillon.

Maybe I forgot someone, but I think that's it.

 

[Diving Pokecheck*]

G- Rogie Vachon
D- Mark Howe
D- J-C Tremblay
LW- Glenn Anderson
C- Adam Oates
RW- Steve Larmer

2nd team

G- Normie Smith
D- Flash Hollett
D- Ott Heller
LW- Sid Smith
C- Igor Larianov
RW- Dave Taylor

 

[Diving Pokecheck*]

Builder:
Frank Zamboni

 

[Diving Pokecheck*]

More Builders:
Rene Lecavalier
Tom Hicks

 

[Diving Pokecheck*]

More Builders:
Hanson/Carlson brothers

 

[Diving Pokecheck*]

On the builders:
Zamboni- his invention was and is crucial to ice hockey.
Hicks- probably the most successful example of the Bettman hockey expansion. Texas has been turned on to hockey in a big way, and the Lone Star State is starting to turn out real prospects, including former first rounder G Montoya, who played for the Texas Tornado.
Lecavalier: Announcer, worthy to join Hewitt and Miller in the Hall.
Hansons/Carlsons: The iconic image of hockey in popular culture.

 

[canucks4ever]

Ignoring the Europeans, my team in order:

C Adam Oates - he'll be in, just went up against a stacked induction class last time around.

D Mark Howe - one of the best defensemen of one of the deepest eras for defensemen. Any defenseman who can get three first team all-stars against that competition deserves to be in.

D J.C. Tremblay - maybe he's not inducted based on his NHL career, but with his WHA career factored in I think he makes the cut.

G Rogie Vachon - played on a bunch of crappy teams but was still a great goalie. I haven't seen much, but all of the games I've seen him, he's really impressed me.

RW Pavel Bure - doesn't have the career of a scorer like Hull, but his peak is outstanding and he was often working as a one man team. His playoff performances are quite strong too.

LW Paul Thompson - my darkhorse. The guy was a star during the 30's, the top scoring player in the league over a five year period and strong defensive player. He was a key part of two Cup winners too. Thompson is the kind of player I would have expected the veteran's committee would have uncovered and deserved to go in ahead of some of their selections (IMO) like Harry Watson.

Others that I think should at least receive consideration: Eric Lindros, Doug Gilmour, and Cecil Dillon.

Maybe I forgot someone, but I think that's it.

Even though Brett Hull played twice as long as Bure, Pavel still has more seasons as an elite player, thats kinda sad isnt it. Pavel Bure would have easily surpassed Brett Hull's 741 goals if he played a 19 year career.

 

[arrbez]

Even though Brett Hull played twice as long as Bure, Pavel still has more seasons as an elite player, thats kinda sad isnt it. Pavel Bure would have easily surpassed Brett Hull's 741 goals if he played a 19 year career.

Bure placed 1,1,1,3,5 in NHL goal scoring. Hull placed 1,1,1,2,6. That's a wash any way you slice it.

 

[canucks4ever]

Bure placed 1,1,1,3,5 in NHL goal scoring. Hull placed 1,1,1,2,6. That's a wash any way you slice it.

Bure finished 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 13th in total points. His career was half as long, yet he has more top 10 finishes. The funny thing is that many people who scored more points than him were getting thier stats inflated by being fed of great teammates, while he was a one man show.

Can you imagine Brett Hull scoring 58-60 goals on a team with ****** linemates?

 

[Dark Shadows]

Bure finished 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 13th in total points. His career was half as long, yet he has more top 10 finishes. The funny thing is that many people who scored more points than him were getting thier stats inflated by being fed of great teammates, while he was a one man show.

Can you imagine Brett Hull scoring 58-60 goals on a team with ****** linemates?

Yes actually. Janney was about equal to Linden, and leeched off Hull and Neely all his career.

 

[canucks4ever]

Yes actually. Janney was about equal to Linden, and leeched off Hull and Neely all his career.

That still doesn't change the fact that Janney had vision and he was still a better setupman than Linden.

Bure is a better goalscorer than Hull, he scores on his own, while Hull waits for a one-timer. I have no doubts that if Pavel Bure played another 550 games, he couldnt score another 300 goals and surpass Brett Hull on the goal scoring list. Brett Hull also played 6-7 years in a very high scoring era, so that helps his goal totals.

Bure is an individual flashy goal scorer, while Brett Hull is a setshooter, two different styles. Bure's is far more exciting and that's why his fanbase is like 5x bigger than Hull's.

 

[Passchendaele]

Even though Brett Hull played twice as long as Bure, Pavel still has more seasons as an elite player, thats kinda sad isnt it. Pavel Bure would have easily surpassed Brett Hull's 741 goals if he played a 19 year career.

Hull was as slow as hell and yet, he kept on scoring after age 35.

Bure would have a hard time putting good numbers on the board without his incredible skating ability.

 

[canucks4ever]

Hull was as slow as hell and yet, he kept on scoring after age 35.

Bure would have a hard time putting good numbers on the board without his incredible skating ability.

Hull is an all time goal scorer, i'll admit. However, he got lucky cuz 1988-1992 were extremely high scoring seasons and those really helped his totals.

I highly doubt the likes of Mike Gartner would score 700 goals if they played thier entire career in the dead puck era like Bure did.

 

[Barney Gumble]

That still doesn't change the fact that Janney had vision and he was still a better setupman than Linden.

Linden was better suited as a winger than a centerman but played there as the Canucks had terrible depth at that position (funny how that problem continues to this day umpteen years later).

 

[Nordic*]

Ovechkin-Forsberg-Jagr

Lidström - Pronger

Hasek



Perhaps I exploited the question, but there you go



edit: ****, I misread the question..

 

[pitseleh]

You missed this tidbit: "List only players who have passed the mandatory waiting period for eligibility (obviously). "

 

[pnep]

Player | First Season | Last Season | CAR. POS | "HHOF Monitor" PTS
Paul Thompson |1926-27|1938-39|LW|1002.00
Kevin "Artie" Stevens |1987-88|2001-02|LW|920.00
Gaye "Box Car" Stewart |1941-42|1953-54|LW|858.50
Herb Cain |1933-34|1945-46|LW|843.00
Sid "Muff" Smith |1946-47|1957-58|LW|838.50
Rick "Rico" Martin |1971-72|1981-82|LW|837.00
Vincent "Vinny" Damphousse |1986-87|2003-04|LW|819.75
Nick "Handy Andy" Metz |1934-35|1947-48|LW|816.00
Don Marshall |1951-52|1971-72|LW|808.50
John "The Greasy Jet" Tonelli |1978-79|1991-92|LW|800.00
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Doug "Killer" Gilmour |1983-84|2002-03|C|1190.50
Adam "Oatsie" Oates |1985-86|2003-04|C|1084.50
Ralph "Ralphie" Backstrom |1956-57|1972-73|C|893.50
Guy "Carbo" Carbonneau |1980-81|1999-00|C|872.50
Robert "Butch" Goring |1969-70|1984-85|C|870.00
Phil "The Professor" Goyette |1956-57|1971-72|C|821.00
Don "Slip" Mckenney |1954-55|1967-68|C|797.00
Bernie "Broadway Bernie" Nicholls |1981-82|1998-99|C|764.00
Bobby Smith |1978-79|1992-93|C|763.00
Kenny Mosdell |1941-42|1958-59|C|744.50
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Claude "Secret Agent 14" Provost |1955-56|1969-70|RW|1330.50
Pavel "The Russian Rocket" Bure |1991-92|2002-03|RW|1221.00
Bobby Rousseau |1960-61|1974-75|RW|982.00
Theo "Mighty Mouse" Fleury |1988-89|2002-03|RW|929.00
Claude "Pepe" Lemieux |1983-84|2002-03|RW|871.50
Ceece "Two Gun" Dillon |1930-31|1939-40|RW|855.50
Ken Hodge |1964-65|1977-78|RW|826.00
Kenny "Whip" Wharram |1951-52|1968-69|RW|808.00
Rick "Nifty" Middleton |1974-75|1987-88|RW|784.50
Dino "The Dinosaur" Ciccarelli |1980-81|1998-99|RW|750.00
||||
Mark Howe |1979-80|1994-95|D|1007.15
Jean Guy Talbot |1954-55|1970-71|D|981.00
Frank "Flash" Hollett |1933-34|1945-46|D|945.80
Carl "Skitz" Brewer |1957-58|1979-80|D|844.90
J.C. "Superstar" Trembley |1959-60|1971-72|D|842.45
Kevin "Vicious" Lowe |1979-80|1997-98|D|795.40
James R. "Jeems" Thomson |1945-46|1957-58|D|753.35
Doug Wilson |1977-78|1992-93|D|739.00
Edward "Ted" Harris |1963-64|1974-75|D|689.00
Terry "Harp" Harper |1962-63|1980-81|D|682.50
||||
Tom "Tomcat" Barrasso |1983-84|2002-03|G|1282.50
Dave Kerr |1930-31|1940-41|G|977.50
Mike "Vernie" Vernon |1982-83|2001-02|G|960.00
Rogie "Lutin De Palmarolle" Vachon |1966-67|1981-82|G|875.50
Mike "Lootty" Liut |1979-80|1991-92|G|868.00
Ron "Hexy" Hextall |1986-87|1998-99|G|751.00
John "Beezer" Vanbiesbrouck |1981-82|2001-02|G|748.00
Lorne "Chabotsky" Chabot |1926-27|1936-37|G|746.50
John "The Port Perry Woodpecker" Roach |1921-22|1934-35|G|736.00
Pete "Grumpy" Peeters |1978-79|1990-91|G|716.00

 

[pappyline]

Ignoring the Europeans, my team in order:

C Adam Oates - he'll be in, just went up against a stacked induction class last time around.

D Mark Howe - one of the best defensemen of one of the deepest eras for defensemen. Any defenseman who can get three first team all-stars against that competition deserves to be in.

D J.C. Tremblay - maybe he's not inducted based on his NHL career, but with his WHA career factored in I think he makes the cut.

G Rogie Vachon - played on a bunch of crappy teams but was still a great goalie. I haven't seen much, but all of the games I've seen him, he's really impressed me.

RW Pavel Bure - doesn't have the career of a scorer like Hull, but his peak is outstanding and he was often working as a one man team. His playoff performances are quite strong too.

LW Paul Thompson - my darkhorse. The guy was a star during the 30's, the top scoring player in the league over a five year period and strong defensive player. He was a key part of two Cup winners too. Thompson is the kind of player I would have expected the veteran's committee would have uncovered and deserved to go in ahead of some of their selections (IMO) like Harry Watson.

Others that I think should at least receive consideration: Eric Lindros, Doug Gilmour, and Cecil Dillon.

Maybe I forgot someone, but I think that's it.

Yes, I wonder why Paul thompson was never selected. I see he is on the top of PNEP's HOF monitor of players not selected.

I included him on my top 100 list. Wonder if anyone else did. Seems to be a forgotten player.

 

[WingsFan95]

G- THE BEEZER!
D- Róbert Švehla
F- Viktor Kozlov

 

[Heat McManus]

G- THE BEEZER!
D- Róbert Švehla
F- Viktor Kozlov

i don't know if this is a joke or not, but it made my effin day.

 

[LapierreSports]

Good questions.

G: Vachon
D: Howe
D: Tremblay
LW:
C: Gilmour, Oates, Larionov
RW: I dont care what GBC says, Pavel Bure is the definition of a 1st ballot HOF'er.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

That still doesn't change the fact that Janney had vision and he was still a better setupman than Linden.

Bure is a better goalscorer than Hull, he scores on his own, while Hull waits for a one-timer. I have no doubts that if Pavel Bure played another 550 games, he couldnt score another 300 goals and surpass Brett Hull on the goal scoring list. Brett Hull also played 6-7 years in a very high scoring era, so that helps his goal totals.

Bure is an individual flashy goal scorer, while Brett Hull is a setshooter, two different styles. Bure's is far more exciting and that's why his fanbase is like 5x bigger than Hull's.

Janney was no better than Linden, its just Hull was a shooter who scored a lot from a set offence and not cherry picking. Hull's style although less flashy involves him finding open spots on the ice to unleash his shot. Bure's strategy meant that less players touched the puck because he need to score off the rush using his great speed. Bure just needed the other players on the ice to launch the puck to him. When it worked it worked, but when it didn't it meant disaster. Bure had the rare ability of being a 60 goal man with great consistency when healthy without making a single player around him better. Hull made everybody on the ice better by drawing extra attention.