OT: Your thoughts...

[Drivesaitl]

The key difference is the Jets talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Oilers.

Depth as well. Jets won last night because they could just roll lines and not get hurt. Preds were running a shorter bench and sucking on jet fumes. Pretty much what would happen to us against the Jets but I doubt it goes 7 games..

If the Jets don't beat you on first lines or topsix they can through the lineup. Well built club.

Vegas-Jets series should be something. Although pretty much of an upstart playoff year in the West. Nobody would have called this as a conference final.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Depth as well. Jets won last night because they could just roll lines and not get hurt. Preds were running a shorter bench and sucking on jet fumes. Pretty much what would happen to us against the Jets but I doubt it goes 7 games..

If the Jets don't beat you on first lines or topsix they can through the lineup. Well built club.

Vegas-Jets series should be something. Although pretty much of an upstart playoff year in the West. Nobody would have called this as a conference final.

Nobody, but I'm not complaining. All the playoff jokers are gone now.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Gagner, Plante, Nash, Paajarvi, Yakupov and the 16th pick wasted on Reinhart. Six wasted first rounders in the last 11 years and Puljujarvi is inching into the conversation as well.

Gagner and Nash are NHLers...and that was 11 years ago with a completely different scouting staff
Yapukov was a bust but still the consensus #1 pick
trading a 16th pick has nothing to do with making a good picks in the 1st round

and waaaay too early to write Puljujarvi

bottom line, they've hit on more than they've missed in the first round

 

[Little Fury]

Gagner and Nash are NHLers...and that was 11 years ago with a completely different scouting staff

Depth NHLers that aren't even with the org while numerous impact NHLers (including Voracek, Couture, McDonagh, Shattenkrik and Pacioretty) went elsewhere.

The scouting staff piece is irrelevant as it still happened.

Yapukov was a bust but still the consensus #1 pick

A bust is a bust. It happened.

trading a 16th pick has nothing to do with making a good picks in the 1st round

It sure speaks to the ability to evaluate talent if they thought Reinhart would be a better add than the numerous blue chip prospects available at that slot.

and waaaay too early to write Puljujarvi

Given he is being handily out performed by virtually every other player in the top end of that draft, it's not too soon to ask questions.

bottom line, they've hit on more than they've missed in the first round

That's the easiest thing a org can do and the Oiers have still managed to blow 40% of them.

 

[bone]

Given he is being handily out performed by virtually every other player in the top end of that draft, it's not too soon to ask questions.

I don't know about that. That draft really didn't have a lot of quality depth, and you can't compare him to players selected before him as they weren't available. How many guys drafted after him have truly turned out better considering Edmonton was really looking for some offensive pop from their forwards.

11-Ellis (yeah, he's great, but no one wanted a small defenseman at the time and would he have developed as well without being with or behind the great defensemen Nashville has had over his career?)
12-DeHaan (an average 4th-5th d-man on the left side, slightly better value but not ridiculously so).
13-Kassian (similar quality of player, Zach is tougher/meaner, MPS may be a better all around player. He would not have stuck with this team through his battles with addiction)
14-Kulikov (similar to DeHaan for overall results and handedness, but more games played after being rushed into the show)
15- Peter Holland (similar quality to MPS)
16-Leddy (after Ellis here is where the biggest miss comes, but at this point we are 6 positions back so it's not just the Oilers here).
Anything after this is far enough away that you'd say the players have outperformed their draft position if they are better than MPS.

Ultimately, I'd rather have had one of those defensemen, particularly Ellis, but I'm not sure at this point whether any of the guys selected after him would be contributing to today's team anyways.

MPS ended up being traded for Perron who was good for us, who in turn brought us the pick that should have been Barzal or Connor, but became Reinhart. Kind of ironic that ultimately he turned into the pick we used to get a 20 year old defensemen who's top end potential was a 4-5 left handed d-man, when if they had just gone for defense at the draft, they likely would have had a 24 year-old 4-5 left handed d-man (or Ellis).

 

[Little Fury]

I don't know about that. That draft really didn't have a lot of quality depth, and you can't compare him to players selected before him as they weren't available. How many guys drafted after him have truly turned out better considering Edmonton was really looking for some offensive pop from their forwards.

11-Ellis (yeah, he's great, but no one wanted a small defenseman at the time and would he have developed as well without being with or behind the great defensemen Nashville has had over his career?)
12-DeHaan (an average 4th-5th d-man on the left side, slightly better value but not ridiculously so).
13-Kassian (similar quality of player, Zach is tougher/meaner, MPS may be a better all around player. He would not have stuck with this team through his battles with addiction)
14-Kulikov (similar to DeHaan for overall results and handedness, but more games played after being rushed into the show)
15- Peter Holland (similar quality to MPS)
16-Leddy (after Ellis here is where the biggest miss comes, but at this point we are 6 positions back so it's not just the Oilers here).
Anything after this is far enough away that you'd say the players have outperformed their draft position if they are better than MPS.

Ultimately, I'd rather have had one of those defensemen, particularly Ellis, but I'm not sure at this point whether any of the guys selected after him would be contributing to today's team anyways.

MPS ended up being traded for Perron who was good for us, who in turn brought us the pick that should have been Barzal or Connor, but became Reinhart. Kind of ironic that ultimately he turned into the pick we used to get a 20 year old defensemen who's top end potential was a 4-5 left handed d-man, when if they had just gone for defense at the draft, they likely would have had a 24 year-old 4-5 left handed d-man (or Ellis).

Thanks for the time and effort but we were talking about Puljujarvi.

 

[bone]

Thanks for the time and effort but we were talking about Puljujarvi.

Never mind then. I'll go back under my rock. LOL

 

[Jumptheshark]

With the Jets making the WCF, what are your guys' feelings towards our team considering we should be exactly where they are.

Astute drafting, trading, and FA signings. They did not make any (major) boneheaded decisions when they got swept in 2015 to the Ducks. They kept on with their plan.

I don't have any faith in our management team to get us to where we need to be, and should be right now.

GHEEE another one of these threads

why didn't we have this thread last season at this time?

 

[McShogun99]

Gagner, Plante, Nash, Paajarvi, Yakupov and the 16th pick wasted on Reinhart. Six wasted first rounders in the last 11 years and Puljujarvi is inching into the conversation as well.

Gagner wasn’t a miss but in hindsight we should have took Votacek. MPS was a miss. Yakupov was the consensus 1st OA so we really had no choice in taking him. The Reinhart trade was just complete garbage but we can’t count that as a bad pick, just a bad trade.

 

[Little Fury]

Gagner wasn’t a miss but in hindsight we should have took Votacek. MPS was a miss. Yakupov was the consensus 1st OA so we really had no choice in taking him. The Reinhart trade was just complete garbage but we can’t count that as a bad pick, just a bad trade.

Trading a pick for a nothing player is just as bad as using a pick on a nothing player.

 

[McDNicks17]

I’ve never understood that strategy when the AHL is supposed to be a developmental league. Nelson was the only coach that played the prospects in key roles.

Has there actually been a real forward prospect down in Bako since Nelson left?

 

[Digger12]

Has there actually been a real forward prospect down in Bako since Nelson left?

Not really, unless you count guys like Khaira, Slepyshev and Yakimov which would be a stretch to me. Of course, there's multiple reasons why there's been such a talent gap for the AHL forward group these last few years.

-Poor drafting in the 2nd round (Moroz and Roy were complete whiffs)
-No drafting in the key '14 and '15 drafts (no 2nd or 3rd round picks in either '14 or '15), that's 4 prospects that potentially could've been in Bakersfield this season. Also, in '15 the only forward they drafted was McDavid, everyone else was defense or goalie...and in '14 their only other forward of note besides Draisaitl was Vesel, a college guy who's only just now turning pro.

They also had a couple disappointments in Chase and Platzer, not so much based on their draft position but in that they were both point per game or higher players in their final years in junior, but were complete busts once they got to the minor pro level. Chase is already gone, and I can't see the Oilers offering Platzer another contract.

 

[Hockey Nightmare]

Winnipeg are also quite healthy right now, lucky for them.

 

[McShogun99]

Trading a pick for a nothing player is just as bad as using a pick on a nothing player.

Even if we kept the pick and went off the board it still would have been a better idea then trading for Reinhart.

 

[McRpro]

GHEEE another one of these threads

why didn't we have this thread last season at this time?

That's all some people want to do. Shit on the Oilers constantly, any way they can. This board has gotten insufferable.

The biggest difference between the Jets and Oilers in the last two season? Goaltending. Period.

 

[Little Fury]

That's all some people want to do. **** on the Oilers constantly, any way they can. This board has gotten insufferable.

The biggest difference between the Jets and Oilers in the last two season? Goaltending. Period.

Winnipeg has four D men who'd be the best player on the Oilers blueline. They have five forwards who'd be no worse than the third best player in Edmonton.

But sure, goaltending.

 

[McRpro]

Winnipeg has four D men who'd be the best player on the Oilers blueline. They have five forwards who'd be no worse than the third best player in Edmonton.

But sure, goaltending.

Give Edmonton this years Hellebuyck and Winnipeg this years Talbot and watch the teams records get swapped. Check last season when that was the case.

But ya, goaltending isn't very important to winning/losing hockey games. Continue bitching about all things Oilers.

 

[Little Fury]

Give Edmonton this years Hellebuyck and Winnipeg this years Talbot and watch the teams records get swapped. Check last season when that was the case.

You know you also have to score on the other team to win, right?

The Jets had 7 guys with 15+ goals this year and nine with 30+ points. The Oilers had three guys hit the 15 goal mark and five with more than 30 points. Scheifele (who missed 12 games) had almost as many goals (23) as the Oilers' sixth leading scorer had points (26). There's no comparing the two teams. The Jets are deeper and more talented.

But ya, goaltending isn't very important to winning/losing hockey games. Continue *****ing about all things Oilers.

Because that's what I said. FOH with that.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I love how all of the sudden you dont have to have a good defense.

Go ffffff*** yourself san diego.

 

[McShogun99]

Winnipeg has four D men who'd be the best player on the Oilers blueline. They have five forwards who'd be no worse than the third best player in Edmonton.

But sure, goaltending.

Winnipeg had the same team last season but got horrible goaltending and they missed the playoff while we almost won the Division with Vezina quality goaltending. This year they got Vezina level goaltending and we got horrible goaltending and we missed the playoffs while the Jets are in the Conference finals. So yes, goaltending is huge. Doesn't matter how much depth or how good your team is, if the goalie isn't stopping pucks then the team isn't going anywhere.

 

[GMofOilers]

Some people just don’t know what they are talking about.

No use arguing over it.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Some people just don’t know what they are talking about.

No use arguing over it.

Oh the irony, from the biggest GM supporter on the board.

 

[guymez]

That's all some people want to do. **** on the Oilers constantly, any way they can. This board has gotten insufferable.

The biggest difference between the Jets and Oilers in the last two season? Goaltending. Period.

Not even close.
The defensive effort by this team last season was pathetic at best. It wouldnt have mattered who played in net.
Far far too many dangerous scoring opportunities were given up...thats a recipe for failure for almost any goalie.
The goaltending could have been better but it wasnt the main problem. A lot of things could have been better.
Goal scoring and goaltending were secondary issues.
Defense and effort/execution were the primary issues.

 

[McBaevid]

The current Jets (forwards) are what the Oilers should have been right now before Chiarelli destroyed this teams one point of strength

McDavid
Hall
Draisaitl
RNH
Eberle
Puljujarvi
16th pick (Barzal/Connor/Whoever)

vs

Scheifele
Wheeler
Laine
Connor
Ehlers
Stastny

 

[Drivesaitl]

That's all some people want to do. **** on the Oilers constantly, any way they can. This board has gotten insufferable.

The biggest difference between the Jets and Oilers in the last two season? Goaltending. Period.

Disagree. Talbot was every bit as good last season. We got stopped in the 2nd round by the Ducks, a team that got swept this post season in first round.

Look at the post above for more of the difference. The Jets didn't give away a sensational player to build the club. They wheeled and dealed for a Wheeler.

Besides last season the Jets had 87pts, the Oilers this season have 78.

This season the Jets have 114pts and are in the 3rd round. That btw was the 2nd best record in the whole NHL. Last season the Oilers had 103pts and were 8th in standings.

How is this the same?


Its impressive that the Winnipeg Jets have built this in 7years. More impressive that the Knights are also in Conference final in their first season.

Its a disgrace that a team with 4 first picks, with Leon Draisaitl, and the Winner of the McD sweepstakes is out of the playoffs. How does a team even have a McDavid and Draisaitl and end up being this bad?