Big Phil
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I remember the 2007 season very vividly because there was this excitement in the air that not only was a teenager the best player in the NHL and leading in points but he was also comparable to the greatest players of all-time in his first two seasons.
Here is how I looked at Crosby vs. Gretzky and Lemieux in his first two years:
Crosby first two years: 102, 120
Lemieux first two years: 100, 141
Gretzky first two years: 137, 164
My opinion was that he was only going to get better. That year he scored a ton of highlight reel goals and he was just flying all over the ice. He had a 6 point night vs. Philly that year, and then a 4 point night the next game. 5 games he had at least 4 points.
I felt Gretzky's first two years he was better because he was just so dominant and he was breaking records even in his 2nd year. But I always thought Crosby and Lemieux were side by side in their first two years in the NHL. We now know that Crosby didn't hit that "next" level that Lemieux did starting in year 4 and then especially year 5. But after the first two years you weren't sure what the future held.
I remember him scoring in bunches a lot more that season. Maybe things changed the next year with his high ankle sprain and it isn't as if he still didn't produce offensively but if you were told after 2007 that the next and only scoring title Crosby would win would be 2014 you'd have not believed it. I'll give him credit, in 2011 he was on a torrid pace and in 2012 he was too. In 2013 he'd have blown away the competition for the scoring race if he wasn't hurt for 25% of the year. And in 2014 he did just that.
But did you expect him to produce more than 120 points on a regular basis? I know I did. I felt the sky was the limit for him. I realize he shored up his all around game after that and that likely sacrificed some points for him but of all the hockey I watched with Crosby since 2007 I always felt there were so many times he should have done things like carry the puck in himself instead of unselfishly passing off to a Chris Kunitz-type of linemate who never had anywhere near his skill. I personally think his unselfish play made him less dominant than he could have been, or what I expected after 2007.
Thoughts?
Here is how I looked at Crosby vs. Gretzky and Lemieux in his first two years:
Crosby first two years: 102, 120
Lemieux first two years: 100, 141
Gretzky first two years: 137, 164
My opinion was that he was only going to get better. That year he scored a ton of highlight reel goals and he was just flying all over the ice. He had a 6 point night vs. Philly that year, and then a 4 point night the next game. 5 games he had at least 4 points.
I felt Gretzky's first two years he was better because he was just so dominant and he was breaking records even in his 2nd year. But I always thought Crosby and Lemieux were side by side in their first two years in the NHL. We now know that Crosby didn't hit that "next" level that Lemieux did starting in year 4 and then especially year 5. But after the first two years you weren't sure what the future held.
I remember him scoring in bunches a lot more that season. Maybe things changed the next year with his high ankle sprain and it isn't as if he still didn't produce offensively but if you were told after 2007 that the next and only scoring title Crosby would win would be 2014 you'd have not believed it. I'll give him credit, in 2011 he was on a torrid pace and in 2012 he was too. In 2013 he'd have blown away the competition for the scoring race if he wasn't hurt for 25% of the year. And in 2014 he did just that.
But did you expect him to produce more than 120 points on a regular basis? I know I did. I felt the sky was the limit for him. I realize he shored up his all around game after that and that likely sacrificed some points for him but of all the hockey I watched with Crosby since 2007 I always felt there were so many times he should have done things like carry the puck in himself instead of unselfishly passing off to a Chris Kunitz-type of linemate who never had anywhere near his skill. I personally think his unselfish play made him less dominant than he could have been, or what I expected after 2007.
Thoughts?