Yost on Melnyk's finances, Citizen post 181

[GimmeMyJetpack]

People here are certainly eating crow. While the citizen article obviously does not prove anything (nor really bring anything new to light), the fact that they (a legitimate newspaper) chose to write about it clearly demonstrates that Yost's post was obviously worthy of further discussion. Many people in this thread seemed to immediately condone Yost's post as rumors/drivel/fabrication. The citizen article obviously at the very least should make a few of you rethink your opinion of his blog. In the end to each his own, but to state that the naysayers aren't eating crow is inaccurate in my mind.

 

[Leachman]

Not sure what you mean by "bad blog posts." The information in the blog post, and in this article, is accurate and very relevant to the future direction of the franchise. If by bad you mean you don't want to read about this type of stuff then don't read it.

You either personally know these things to be accurate, relevant to the franchise and encompassing of the entire truth, or you do not and you have decided to lazily assume what you have read to be true. Yes, bad blog post and bad article.

 

[HavlatMach9]

People here are certainly eating crow. While the citizen article obviously does not prove anything (nor really bring anything new to light), the fact that they (a legitimate newspaper) chose to write about it clearly demonstrates that Yost's post was obviously worthy of further discussion. Many people in this thread seemed to immediately condone Yost's post as rumors/drivel/fabrication. The citizen article obviously at the very least should make a few of you rethink your opinion of his blog. In the end to each his own, but to state that the naysayers aren't eating crow is inaccurate in my mind.

I don't think anyone is eating crow or anything. If Melnyk is having trouble with his finances outside Sens & Entertainment, then so be it. We're all aware of his divorce and his business not doing as well but it seemed to me that the issue was whether the Sens were a problem themselves and it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[The Expert]

What crow, for what? There is no news in that article; it is rehashed and unrelated information on the heels of bad blog posts.

This whole "issue" is mindless noise.

Have to agree, the Citizen article is about as piss poor as the original blog post by Yost.

 

[Leachman]

People here are certainly eating crow. While the citizen article obviously does not prove anything (nor really bring anything new to light), the fact that they (a legitimate newspaper) chose to write about it clearly demonstrates that Yost's post was obviously worthy of further discussion. Many people in this thread seemed to immediately condone Yost's post as rumors/drivel/fabrication. The citizen article obviously at the very least should make a few of you rethink your opinion of his blog. In the end to each his own, but to state that the naysayers aren't eating crow is inaccurate in my mind.

It only means that the Citizen chose to capitalize on rumour to get a scoop. You think this gives credence to the blog post and serves to have realists "eat crow"? Did you know that this article recycles bits of information that are weeks or months old and adds nothing new?

You just got suckered.

 

[Quo]

Major papers need page hits too these days.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I feel like the major theme of the citizen article is that Melnyk's net worth has taken a major hit over the last few years which appears to be true.

It also brings into question the motives behind having a new sponsor for the arena, one where Melnyk approached the sponsor and not vice versa.

I'm not sure what is inaccurate about this report. Can anyone tell me?

 

[StefanW]

You either personally know these things to be accurate, relevant to the franchise and encompassing of the entire truth, or you do not and you have decided to lazily assume what you have read to be true. Yes, bad blog post and bad article.

Well you caught me with the lazy part. But I'd like to think I am both lazy and fair, and as a fair person I prefer to keep an open mind. Aside from being lazy, fair, and open minded, another character trait that I possess is that I like to ask very pointed questions. On that topic, maybe you could enlighten me and provide one concrete example in Yost's blog post where he says something that is not true. It is all open source information, and seeing as you are so adamant about it being false this should pose no problem whatsoever for you. Oh, and work with the assumption that I want to be shown concrete proof that something in the blog post is false. I've read "bad blog post" several times, and while it is charming it is not particularly specific or well documented.

Thanks.

 

[Laphroaig]

Well you caught me with the lazy part. But I'd like to think I am both lazy and fair, and as a fair person I prefer to keep an open mind. Aside from being lazy, fair, and open minded, another character trait that I possess is that I like to ask very pointed questions. On that topic, maybe you could enlighten me and provide one concrete example in Yost's blog post where he says something that is not true. It is all open source information, and seeing as you are so adamant about it being false this should pose no problem whatsoever for you. Oh, and work with the assumption that I want to be shown concrete proof that something in the blog post is false. I've read "bad blog post" several times, and while it is charming it is not particularly specific or well documented.

Thanks.

Well played.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Well you caught me with the lazy part. But I'd like to think I am both lazy and fair, and as a fair person I prefer to keep an open mind. Aside from being lazy, fair, and open minded, another character trait that I possess is that I like to ask very pointed questions. On that topic, maybe you could enlighten me and provide one concrete example in Yost's blog post where he says something that is not true. It is all open source information, and seeing as you are so adamant about it being false this should pose no problem whatsoever for you. Oh, and work with the assumption that I want to be shown concrete proof that something in the blog post is false. I've read "bad blog post" several times, and while it is charming it is not particularly specific or well documented.

Thanks.

Your twitter account, or the account of someone with a name similar to yours is being used in a third article about supposed financial troubles regarding the Senators.

https://twitter.com/steffeG/status/352906103815806978

How exactly is this even close to the truth? How can Yost even use this as evidence. What a completely ludicrous situation. This is like the Obama birth certificate.

 

[Yost]

Your twitter account, or the account of someone with a name similar to yours is being used in a third article about supposed financial troubles regarding the Senators.

https://twitter.com/steffeG/status/352906103815806978

How exactly is this even close to the truth? How can Yost even use this as evidence. What a completely ludicrous situation.

The quote originated from steffeG's feed at The6thSens, transcribing an interview between Alfredsson and Swedish media. It is a real, true quote.

The interview is, in publication form, written here:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Alfredsson+says+guarantees+sign+with+Senators/8618377/story.html

It occurred tonight, and I myself checked the interview for accuracy prior to publish before using that as the source.

 

[DylanSensFan]

The quote originated from steffeG's feed at The6thSens, transcribing an interview between Alfredsson and Swedish media. It is a real, true quote.

The interview is, in publication form, written here:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Alfredsson+says+guarantees+sign+with+Senators/8618377/story.html

It occurred tonight, and I myself checked the interview for accuracy prior to publish before using that as the source.

I think I recall SteffeG also being a poster on here. I read the tweets and nothing leads me to believe Alfredsson is looking to go to Detroit or Boston. Especially Detroit, who while being a playoff team is no where near a Stanley Cup contender and is in fact on the decline when comparing their prospect pool to Ottawa's. There was a rumor going around that Mike Babcock was going to leave Detroit... it was even reported on TSN and then found to have no legs.

What you report, whether or not it makes the news means little to me. I have seen sensationalism used through out history by news makers on many occasions and this is nothing different.

Ottawa has about as much chance of winning the cup as Boston, Pitts, Detroit or anyone else out there. Give me a reason why Alfredsson would leave Ottawa after having a long standing career and why would Bryan Murray leave the door open for Alfredsson to suggest a dollar figure if there were such financial dire straits.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Alfredsson is expected to sign before noon according to TSN

 

[SensAreReligion]

I am so confused.

 

[Quo]

The quote originated from steffeG's feed at The6thSens, transcribing an interview between Alfredsson and Swedish media. It is a real, true quote.

The interview is, in publication form, written here:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Alfredsson+says+guarantees+sign+with+Senators/8618377/story.html

It occurred tonight, and I myself checked the interview for accuracy prior to publish before using that as the source.

Some beefs I have:

The issue is the comments that you claim contradict each other were made in close quarters to each other. Do you really think contract negotiations are so speedily resolved? Did you take Murray to mean that he was giving away a blank cheque? He asked for a number and the negotiations continue from there. Everything said thus far has followed a more-or-less natural timeline as far as negotiating goes as far as I can see. We'll see how it goes tomorrow.

Additionally, your attempting to mind-read David Clarkson and somehow intimate that the Sens were less than serious about acquiring him is grasping at straws. Why is it mutually exclusive for Clarkson to have contacted the Sens and for him to be a legitimate target of the FO? "Ah, but you see, he boarded a plane to Edmonton, therefore the Sens were low-balling." That so? There are myriad other reasons for why Clarkson would continue to investigate his rather considerable options before settling on a destination.

I'd very much like to see the original "hint" that you borrow from SensChirp (and incorrectly attribute to Melnyk BTW; the Sens Chirp article indicates it was Murray) that the only way we could sign a big name FA is if we let Alfie walk. Looks like you rushed that one a bit.

You accuse the press-conference of being defensive. Did you expect anything less than categorical denial when pressed on the issue in a press-conference concerning a completely unrelated event?

Looks like I was ahead of the curve on some of your research into Melnyk's financial escapades but you've been working on this awhile I gather. Nice job on that. You've invested a lot in this, it's clear. I'd hate to see it all go to waste because you might be jumping to unfounded conclusions, seeing things from only one perspective, trying to support your underlying theory.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

They cant even offer clarkson a number until 12 so by the "Rules" we havent offered him a contract .

 

[Holdurbreathe]

I feel like the major theme of the citizen article is that Melnyk's net worth has taken a major hit over the last few years which appears to be true.

It also brings into question the motives behind having a new sponsor for the arena, one where Melnyk approached the sponsor and not vice versa.

I'm not sure what is inaccurate about this report. Can anyone tell me?

This comment in the article made me laugh, what planet is this guy from?

Does anyone actually think owners of entertainment businesses just sit and wait for advertisers or sponsors to call offering money?

Melnyk was proactive and as a result increased the Sens revenue stream and such behaviour is an indication of the state of his personal finances?

It is obvious by the Yost and Bagnall ramblings they have no concrete facts just pure speculation based on share dealings. At the least the Citizen acknowledged EM's lasted share transaction was worth over 1/4 of a billion dollars, even if he is incapable of simple multiplication.

IMO EM doesn't owe anyone an explanation or even a glimpse into his personal finances, even if he puts the Ottawa Senators on a budget.

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

In no universe should a team that made the 2nd round of the playoffs with a team below the salary cap be operating on an "internal cap" less than the Phoenix Coyotes

Sell the team if you can't afford to spend to the cap, especially in a Canadian market

 

[YNWA14]

IMO EM doesn't owe anyone an explanation or even a glimpse into his personal finances, even if he puts the Ottawa Senators on a budget.

I don't think anyone is saying that. However, I believe what people are saying is that since the Sens are actually a profitable franchise there's no reason we should have an internal cap on our team.

 

[Stylizer1]

I am going to throw this out there.

Melnyk had a PR firm throw out the notion that he is broke creating chaos among the fan base. He wants this impression so that the city will believe he needs extra money and thus backing his bid for a casino. Buy some time in the Sun to talk directly to fans puts the cherry on top.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

In no universe should a team that made the 2nd round of the playoffs with a team below the salary cap be operating on an "internal cap" less than the Phoenix Coyotes

Sell the team if you can't afford to spend to the cap, especially in a Canadian market

So...let's overpay for a few mediocre UFAs and stall the development of a few of our top prospects so we can end up with pretty much the same quality team we have now...because we're in Canada?

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Yokai]

So...let's overpay for a few mediocre UFAs and stall the development of a few of our top prospects so we can end up with pretty much the same quality team we have now...because we're in Canada?

Makes perfect sense.

Why do people immediately assume everyone wants BM to spend money like an idiot when we complain about the internal cap? With the amount of young talent and how the team did last year I don't think it is unreasonable that we expect BM to spend more than the bare minimum in Alfredsson's final year to help the team continue to improve. Most of our "top prospects" need to spend time in the AHL or a junior league and don't need to be rushed into the NHL.


Michalek-Spezza-?
?-Turris-Alfredsson(?)
Conacher-Zibanejad-Silfverberg
Greening-Smith-Condra

Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Wiercioch
Phillips-Gryba

Anderson
Lehner

I don't know about you, but I think that BM should be doing something to add to that mix. Ideally the team could use an upgrade in the top 6 upfront and the top 4 on the backend. With this "budget" that is not going to happen and I'm not sold that any of the young guys are going to be ready enough to fill those holes through a full 82 game season.

 

[Lundmark17]

I find it amusing people are calling for the the Sens to spend to the cap. Sure it would be nice but unrealistic. Lets face it the Sens are a small market team. With the Canadian dollar dropping it makes the Sens payroll increase so that doesnt help. Spending money doesnt mean you will be successful, just look at the Flyers.

Here is my biggest beef with calling for more spending. The Sens are a business with the objective being to make money. The Coyotes are an example of what not to do if you want to be a profitable business. Just because they spend doesnt mean they should. Maybe the Sens will spend above their heads once in a while to go "all in" but other than that they need to keep their eye on the bottom line. We just went through a lockout in order to save the owners money now fans moan about wanting them to spend recklessly. Seems ridiculous.

 

[Stylizer1]

I find it amusing people are calling for the the Sens to spend to the cap. Sure it would be nice but unrealistic. Lets face it the Sens are a small market team. With the Canadian dollar dropping it makes the Sens payroll increase so that doesnt help. Spending money doesnt mean you will be successful, just look at the Flyers.

Here is my biggest beef with calling for more spending. The Sens are a business with the objective being to make money. The Coyotes are an example of what not to do if you want to be a profitable business. Just because they spend doesnt mean they should. Maybe the Sens will spend above their heads once in a while to go "all in" but other than that they need to keep their eye on the bottom line. We just went through a lockout in order to save the owners money now fans moan about wanting them to spend recklessly. Seems ridiculous.

I don't think anyone is saying to spend to the cap. Everyone is saying to sign players who can bring much needed offense.

 

[QuattroFTW]

We need to sign good players who will fit what the BM wants to Sens to be so we can make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs and actually contend for Cup and make Melnyk or whoever the owner is some actual money. We're not going to make money waiting 3 years for prospects to develop. Half the already fragile fanbase will leave.