Claimed off Waivers: [WSH] Axel Jonsson-Fjallby claimed off waivers by the Capitals from the Sabres

[Hivemind]

Really? You dont think they have agreed to do this on beforehand. Sure no other team picked him. Yet how fast did Buffalo pick him (were they picking ahead of other teams?) . Buffalo is helping Washington (Will most likely get a "favor" in return in the near futire) . The sole looser being the player looking foolish in the other teams jearsy for a day and then gets sent down eventhough he shouldnt have been (Because of the rules right?!) had he stayed with the team he left and immediatly came back to

How did this help Washington in any way? It didn't.

 

[uncleben]

Really? You dont think they have agreed to do this on beforehand. Sure no other team picked him. Yet how fast did Buffalo pick him (were they picking ahead of other teams?) . Buffalo is helping Washington (Will most likely get a "favor" in return in the near futire) . The sole looser being the player looking foolish in the other teams jearsy for a day and then gets sent down eventhough he shouldnt have been (Because of the rules right?!) had he stayed with the team he left and immediatly came back to

This "plan" would hinge on 25 other teams ahead of Washington in the waiver priority order not selecting the player before Washington, when Buffalo waived him, AND the 6 teams behind Washington also not putting in a claim, so they could loan him to the AHL. Not the best plan, imo.

• Effectively, Washington said, "we do not think this player is NHL calibre"
• Then all other 31 teams had a chance to agree or disagree.
• Buffalo said, "We do think he is NHL worthy. We will take him for our roster."
• At the point Buffalo no longer felt he was NHL-calibre (this time around it was actually a visa issue they didn't want to deal with, not necessarily him not being good enough), they put him back on waivers, giving all other teams a chance to put him on their roster.
• If any team felt he was worth it, they could claim him and put him on their roster
• This includes Washington having the chance to claim him too
• If a team ahead of Washington in priority makes a claim, he goes to their NHL team
• If Washington makes a successful claim, he goes there - this is were the linear path diverges...
• a) A team after Washington also puts in a claim, meaning they think he should be in the NHL, and therefore Washington has to keep him in the NHL, or offer him back on waivers, so that that team can attempt to claim him again OR
• b) No other team puts in a claim. At this point, all 32 teams agree he is not an NHL player at the moment - Washington wants him down, Buffalo does not want him on the team, all other 30 teams have turned down the option to claim. The player has, in effect, "cleared waivers". There is no functional difference at that point to him having cleared waivers the first time, and he can be sent down. This is what happened in this situation

This is no conspiracy or circumvention; every team in the League had the same opportunity. It is precisely the purpose of and the way the waiver system is designed, to a tee, to give the player the best chance of having a spot in the NHL.
Neither Buffalo nor Washington benefitted from this. In fact, you could argue this was a detriment to Washington because they had to do the extra steps, instead of being able to loan him straight to the AHL and because they had to make season-opening decisions with one less player in their depth chart to depend on; Buffalo had the displeasure and inconvenience of thinking they had a roster player that could start for them opening night, only to realize he wasn't a viable roster option and had to change plans. If this was in-season, BUF also would have had the small negative impact of having to count his salary against the cap for those 7 days... miniscule, but still.
No team received a benefit; both teams suffered minor inconveniences at best.

TL;DR: All 32 teams agreed he should clear waivers and not be in the NHL - just with extra steps

 

[Seachd]

Really? You dont think they have agreed to do this on beforehand. Sure no other team picked him. Yet how fast did Buffalo pick him (were they picking ahead of other teams?) . Buffalo is helping Washington (Will most likely get a "favor" in return in the near futire) . The sole looser being the player looking foolish in the other teams jearsy for a day and then gets sent down eventhough he shouldnt have been (Because of the rules right?!) had he stayed with the team he left and immediatly came back to

This makes no sense.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I thought Washington had dibs because he was claimed from them.

Urban legend...

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Really? You dont think they have agreed to do this on beforehand. Sure no other team picked him. Yet how fast did Buffalo pick him (were they picking ahead of other teams?) . Buffalo is helping Washington (Will most likely get a "favor" in return in the near futire) . The sole looser being the player looking foolish in the other teams jearsy for a day and then gets sent down eventhough he shouldnt have been (Because of the rules right?!) had he stayed with the team he left and immediatly came back to

You really don't understand the waivers rules, do you?

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

whats with all these new age parents hyphenating their kids names??


would thr kid keep adding names when they have more kids?

 

[Maurice of Orange]

whats with all these new age parents hyphenating their kids names??


would thr kid keep adding names when they have more kids?

Don’t trust anyone with hyphens in their names, they are usually hiding something in their past or families past.

 

[Snauen]

No I still dont understand (maybe because people here lack the skill to explain how things work, except for uncleben there maybe..)If the rule says hes got to be on waivers before sent down, then why did Buffalo pick him of waivers merely to put the player on waivers again? "A VISA issue"? You need a visa to Buffalo and not to Washington? Fishy indeed.. If this was done by the book the player should be playing in Buffalo right now. As I UNDERSTAND it.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

No I still dont understand (maybe because people here lack the skill to explain how things work, exept for uncleben there maybe..)If the rule says hes got to be on waivers before sent down, then why did Buffalo pick him of waivers merely to put the player on waivers again? "A VISA issue"? You need a visa to Buffalo and not to Washington? Fishy indeed.. If this was done by the book the player should be playing in Buffalo right now. As I UNDERSTAND it.

It’s a conspiracy man.

 

[Snauen]

It’s a conspiracy man.

Yep, seems to me like a skimpy kind of conspiracy, not worth much attention, yet its there

 

[SDBondra]

No I still dont understand (maybe because people here lack the skill to explain how things work, exept for uncleben there maybe..)If the rule says hes got to be on waivers before sent down, then why did Buffalo pick him of waivers merely to put the player on waivers again? "A VISA issue"? You need a visa to Buffalo and not to Washington? Fishy indeed.. If this was done by the book the player should be playing in Buffalo right now. As I UNDERSTAND it.

Umm maybe because they are desperate for NHL-caliber players and thought he was good enough to play on their tire fire of a roster? He’s blazing fast - perhaps they thought he was ready to be a Hagelin or Grabner? Then after kicking the tires on him, realized he wasn’t ready and released him back.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Buffalo had no idea what level of "Incidentals" costs they were getting into when picking him up. All that shampoo. Once they realized, they put him back on waivers.

 

[uncleben]

No I still dont understand (maybe because people here lack the skill to explain how things work, exept for uncleben there maybe..)If the rule says hes got to be on waivers before sent down, then why did Buffalo pick him of waivers merely to put the player on waivers again? "A VISA issue"? You need a visa to Buffalo and not to Washington? Fishy indeed.. If this was done by the book the player should be playing in Buffalo right now. As I UNDERSTAND it.

His visa was simply to work in the US, from Sweden. Foreign players need to update and renew those
This would have delayed him playing for Buffalo on opening night, so they simply cut him loose from their roster, so they could put in someone that could play

Washington will still have to wait for that visa situation to be resolved as well, but they are seemingly more willing to wait it out

 

[Drake1588]

The difference is that Washington was never under any illusion that he'd compete for an NHL spot. He was always going to play in Hershey for them. Buffalo was willing to check him out at the NHL level. So the urgency wasn't there for the Caps to the same degree, and the timing of the start of the NHL season irrelevant when measured against the time it is taking to resolve his visa situation.

 

[Hivemind]

No I still dont understand (maybe because people here lack the skill to explain how things work, exept for uncleben there maybe..)If the rule says hes got to be on waivers before sent down, then why did Buffalo pick him of waivers merely to put the player on waivers again? "A VISA issue"? You need a visa to Buffalo and not to Washington? Fishy indeed.. If this was done by the book the player should be playing in Buffalo right now. As I UNDERSTAND it.

Buffalo selected him on waivers because they wanted to look at him for their NHL squad. It's as simple as that. No conspiracy. No additional explanation needed.

They put him back on waivers when it was determined he wasn't going to be on their NHL squad.

 

[GRob83]

I'm torn on whether I want his Sabres jersey or a Vanecek Kraken jersey. Damn. 2 absolute legends of their franchises.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

He was there for a week. The visa he had was as an employee of the Capitals. Once he was picked up by the Sabres, he had to get a new visa, because he’s now employed with a different employer. Consequently he didn’t play in a single preseason game for the Sabres, as that counts as “employment”, even though the players aren’t getting money yet (not counting any signing bonuses received).

The visa applies to whether he’s in the AHL or NHL, because the farm team is basically a subsidiary of the main company (aka the NHL team), and is paying the player.

This just shows you that a sports visa should be a blanket visa, good for XX months of the year, and is transferable when a player switches teams, without needing to get a new one.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

No I still dont understand (maybe because people here lack the skill to explain how things work, except for uncleben there maybe..)If the rule says hes got to be on waivers before sent down, then why did Buffalo pick him of waivers merely to put the player on waivers again? "A VISA issue"? You need a visa to Buffalo and not to Washington? Fishy indeed.. If this was done by the book the player should be playing in Buffalo right now. As I UNDERSTAND it.

Which just goes to show that you don't UNDERTAND it...

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Yep, seems to me like a skimpy kind of conspiracy, not worth much attention, yet its there

You really think the post you quoted was meant seriously?

It will be a long season...

 

[Snauen]

He was there for a week. The visa he had was as an employee of the Capitals. Once he was picked up by the Sabres, he had to get a new visa, because he’s now employed with a different employer. Consequently he didn’t play in a single preseason game for the Sabres, as that counts as “employment”, even though the players aren’t getting money yet (not counting any signing bonuses received).

The visa applies to whether he’s in the AHL or NHL, because the farm team is basically a subsidiary of the main company (aka the NHL team), and is paying the player.

This just shows you that a sports visa should be a blanket visa, good for XX months of the year, and is transferable when a player switches teams, without needing to get a new one.

In short; The papers were not in a complete order . Therefore he got back to Was (and sent down)-, otherwise he would be playing NHL-hockey in Buffalo for atleast a couple of games. UNDERSTOOD , thanks for explaining the visa-rules. Thanks for knowing and informing about Jonsson-Fjällbys exakt visa situation! No circumventing the waiver rules here, sorry for thinking along those lines and bringing that up. Love ya" all!

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Axel Jonsson-Fjallby to make his NHL debut for Washington.

Coincidentally, it will come against the Buffalo Sabres, the team that claimed him and then put him back on waivers earlier this season.

 

[txpd]

Axel Jonsson-Fjallby to make his NHL debut for Washington.

Coincidentally, it will come against the Buffalo Sabres, the team that claimed him and then put him back on waivers earlier this season.

You think that is a coincidence?

 

[Arthuros]

You think that is a coincidence?

Caps head office: "So Axel, we've got a great plan.

We're gonna waive you...but hear us out. Buffalo's gonna claim you but they're not gonna be able to actually get you into a game because of visa issues. Then we'll claim you right back, and we're gonna make you debut against the Sabres.

It'll be f***ing hilarious."

 

[txpd]

Caps head office: "So Axel, we've got a great plan.

We're gonna waive you...but hear us out. Buffalo's gonna claim you but they're not gonna be able to actually get you into a game because of visa issues. Then we'll claim you right back, and we're gonna make you debut against the Sabres.

It'll be f***ing hilarious."

No. You missed the point. That they are giving him his NHL debut vs Buffalo. Thats not a coincidence. That's motivation

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

No. You missed the point. That they are giving him his NHL debut vs Buffalo. Thats not a coincidence. That's motivation

And you think that HE missed the point?