Writer calls Barkov q generational player

[goblin3]

Yep your point?

You linked his even strength stats, not 5v5, which is what I was talking about in the message which you replied wrong to. Auston Matthews NHL Advanced Statistics (5-on-5) | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Connor McConnor]

Barkov is becoming the new Toews without the team success and I really like Barkov but come on

Barkov has a much much better offensive repertoire than Johnny T. Pair him with a Keith/Seabrook/Kane/Coach Q in their primes and he'd probably be winning cups too.

 

[authentic]

Barkov is better than Toews ever was.

He really isn't though. Toews in his peak season was 18th in points per game compared to Barkov being 22nd right now and also had significantly better possession metrics. Barkov is better at shootouts though, but maybe not by much.

 

[authentic]

You linked his even strength stats, not 5v5, which is what I was talking about in the message which you replied wrong to. Auston Matthews NHL Advanced Statistics (5-on-5) | Hockey-Reference.com

Ok, what does it matter though? Even strength is even strength.

 

[authentic]

Barkov has a much much better offensive repertoire than Johnny T. Pair him with a Keith/Seabrook/Kane/Coach Q in their primes and he'd probably be winning cups too.

People have truly forgotten how good Toews was. A much better offensive repertoire? Toews was a faster skater and a more aggressive player who also had very good shooting ability. Hands and passing go to Barkov, but Toews was elite there himself.

 

[glucker]

Is Barkov on the brink of generational status?

I think looking just at points to determine if someone is “generational” or not is very limiting.

Barkov is a two-way beast, who’s damn near unstoppable when he wants to get somewhere.

I don’t think there’s a GM that wouldn’t love to have him on their team.

 

[Goptor]

The thing about Barkov that interests me the most is that he sets the standards of play. Go through draft interviews from 2015 onward and its likely you will see the player say they want to model their game around Barkov.

 

[brock0791]

Hasn't surpassed Datsyuk, Kopitar, Bergeron as bet player of his style in last 10 years

 

[authentic]

I think looking just at points to determine if someone is “generational” or not is very limiting.

Barkov is a two-way beast, who’s damn near unstoppable when he wants to get somewhere.

I don’t think there’s a GM that wouldn’t love to have him on their team.

Everyone would love to have him on their team, doesn't mean he is a generational player. He's not even a top 5 defensive forward of his own generation yet, and he's also not as good offensively as the players ahead of him in defense yet (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kopitar, Toews, Bergeron)

 

[Hagged]

Claim of stats Goblin provided being false.

Edit: Also your stats from the other thread were false, Matthews this season has a 50.5 CF% and 1.1 rel, better than you were stating and hardly a big difference compared to Barkov even this year...

Goblin provides source and emphasizes 5vs5 stats:

According to hockeyreference.com Matthews' 5v5 CF% 49.6, rel% 0.4.

Again authentic claims the 5vs5 stats are wrong, however links to ES stats.

Wrong.

Auston Matthews Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

You were probably looking at fenwick but even still he has a 1.5 rel there not .4

Goblin notes that 5vs5 isn't equivalent to even strength.

FYI 5v5 /= Even strength

Authentic doesn't see a point in noting that.

Yep your point?

Goblin states the link by authentic was to ES stats, they don't prove 5vs5 stats provided by Goblin are false.

You linked his even strength stats, not 5v5, which is what I was talking about in the message which you replied wrong to. Auston Matthews NHL Advanced Statistics (5-on-5) | Hockey-Reference.com

Authentic says even strength is even strength.

Ok, what does it matter though? Even strength is even strength.

Authentic is partly correct, as the claim "even strength is even strength" is a logical tautology, always true. However, it does matter when the even strength stats are being held as the factual proof of Goblins 5vs5 stats being false.

I don't see the evidence provided by authentic compelling enough to think Goblins 5vs5 stats are wrong. Sorry.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Franchise, elite, corsi god, selke candidate, use any buzz words you want -- just don't say generational. Just dumb.

 

[jonlin]

Everyone would love to have him on their team, doesn't mean he is a generational player. He's not even a top 5 defensive forward of his own generation yet, and he's also not as good offensively as the players ahead of him in defense yet (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kopitar, Toews, Bergeron)

Dont you feel stupid already? So, Matthews, Eichel, McDavid, Couture, Marner etc are better defensively from his generation? Tell me which 5 are better or stop talking shit.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I love a good pile-on as much as the next guy, but this isn't a good pile-on.