Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[majormajor]

Ah Danault and his classic intangibles.

Goals against are tangible.

 

[samsagat]

The Jets absolutely did the right thing. What's the percentage of forwards drafted late in the 1st round who become 60 point players? And why would the Jets gamble on that the player they would've drafted would turn into that 5 seasons from now when their team looks completely different?

Yeah!!

Jets and Habs are at a different timeline of their cycle.

Jets are in win now mode, so to sacrifice a lottery ticket like a (very) late first for immediate help is in line with where they're at in their cycle.

Habs are in rebuilding mode, so to keep a player like Monahan, 29 yo with a recent history of recurrent injuries, wasn't in line with where they're at in their cycle.
Furthermore he was an UFA to be...

Good trade for both parties...

 

[bcv]

Winnipeg got a better bang for their buck than Vancouver.

bump

 

[Deno]

I agree with you, a lot of jets fans didn't like the trade initially but @ItWasJustified

As a Jet fan I thought a #1 pick was a little high but I decided to reserve judgement until I see how he fit in with the Jets. So far I love what I'm seeing. Not only is Monahan playing very well, he may finally be the C that gets Ehlers and take him to the next level. If that happens then Monahan is worth his weight in gold. Also it looks like Monahan is very popular with his teammates so he has not hurt the Jets chemistry. If Monahan plays like this into the POs and helps the Jets go on a long PO run he is well worth a #1 pick. As long as he stays healthy right now his contract is a steal and Chevy has done it again. Right now Monahan IS the Jets 2nd C and deserves a big raise and term next season. After all he is only 29 years old.

 

[samsagat]

So, where's the 3rd line center, PP specialist that is a liability defensively?

We told you that the guy was smart and knew how to play hockey... plus he's good at creating scoring chances out of winning 50/50 puck battles, a skill that gonna serve him and his team well comes the PO.

He was worth a late 1st, end of story...

 

[Channelcat]

So, where's the 3rd line center, PP specialist that is a liability defensively?

We told you that the guy was smart and knew how to play hockey... plus he's good at creating scoring chances out of winning 50/50 puck battles, a skill that gonna serve him and his team well comes the PO.

He was worth a late 1st, end of story...

He might be the Jets best player

 

[JRichard]

As a Jet fan I thought a #1 pick was a little high but I decided to reserve judgement until I see how he fit in with the Jets. So far I love what I'm seeing. Not only is Monahan playing very well, he may finally be the C that gets Ehlers and take him to the next level. If that happens then Monahan is worth his weight in gold. Also it looks like Monahan is very popular with his teammates so he has not hurt the Jets chemistry. If Monahan plays like this into the POs and helps the Jets go on a long PO run he is well worth a #1 pick. As long as he stays healthy right now his contract is a steal and Chevy has done it again. Right now Monahan IS the Jets 2nd C and deserves a big raise and term next season. After all he is only 29 years old.

All true but availability is key. Team resigning him will be doing pace calculations (see last 3 seasons).

 

[Guess]

All true but availability is key. Team resigning him will be doing pace calculations (see last 3 seasons).

I hope the Habs resign him. He was a great fit with us. But maybe he doesn't want to play 3C or wing when Dach is back.

 

[Andrei79]

So, any Jets fan mad about paying a first for him ?

Edmonton is so stupid not to have jumped on the opportunity to get him. Super cheap contract and the price was very reasonable. He's a fantastic versatile veteran player.

 

[Frank Drebin]

So, any Jets fan mad about paying a first for him ?

Edmonton is so stupid not to have jumped on the opportunity to get him. Super cheap contract and the price was very reasonable. He's a fantastic versatile veteran player.

Edmonton has more pressing needs than having Monahan as a 3c

 

[majormajor]

So, any Jets fan mad about paying a first for him ?

Edmonton is so stupid not to have jumped on the opportunity to get him. Super cheap contract and the price was very reasonable. He's a fantastic versatile veteran player.

He's extra valuable to Winnipeg because of how good he is scoring goals from the bumper on the powerplay, Edmonton obviously doesn't have a spot for him there. 5v5 Monahan is doing well but nothing special.

 

[Be a Hab]

Edmonton has more pressing needs than having Monahan as a 3c

We have Gallagher you can have to round out top 9.

 

[jgimp]

So, any Jets fan mad about paying a first for him ?

Edmonton is so stupid not to have jumped on the opportunity to get him. Super cheap contract and the price was very reasonable. He's a fantastic versatile veteran player.

I’m only upset because I was hoping that 1st would have been packaged together with pluses for a longer term solution to either RHD or a 2C.
I wasn’t sure how Monahan would have fit into Bones system but I’m pleasantly surprised.

 

[Aphid]

So, any Jets fan mad about paying a first for him ?

Edmonton is so stupid not to have jumped on the opportunity to get him. Super cheap contract and the price was very reasonable. He's a fantastic versatile veteran player.

Credit where credit is due, Montreal fans were correct about him. He's been a great fit as a 2C on the team. If the Jets didn't grab him, another team surely would have. There'd probably be a lot of Jets fans kicking themselves now if they hadn't taken that deal.

 

[Scintillating10]

Credit where credit is due, Montreal fans were correct about him. He's been a great fit as a 2C on the team. If the Jets didn't grab him, another team surely would have. There'd probably be a lot of Jets fans kicking themselves now if they hadn't taken that deal.

I took a lot of heat on here for posting those Monahan for first picks threads. I knew because he was on 55 point pace playing with Gallagher and Anderson. I said put him with good linemates you will see vintage Monahan. On cheap contract mind you.

A lot of teams are kicking themselves in butt now. They need a center and Jets didn't pay much for Monahan.

 

[JianYang]

As a Jet fan I thought a #1 pick was a little high but I decided to reserve judgement until I see how he fit in with the Jets. So far I love what I'm seeing. Not only is Monahan playing very well, he may finally be the C that gets Ehlers and take him to the next level. If that happens then Monahan is worth his weight in gold. Also it looks like Monahan is very popular with his teammates so he has not hurt the Jets chemistry. If Monahan plays like this into the POs and helps the Jets go on a long PO run he is well worth a #1 pick. As long as he stays healthy right now his contract is a steal and Chevy has done it again. Right now Monahan IS the Jets 2nd C and deserves a big raise and term next season. After all he is only 29 years old.

Hate to say attodaso, but I f***ing attodaso.

 

[JustAHabFan]

As a Jet fan I thought a #1 pick was a little high but I decided to reserve judgement until I see how he fit in with the Jets. So far I love what I'm seeing. Not only is Monahan playing very well, he may finally be the C that gets Ehlers and take him to the next level. If that happens then Monahan is worth his weight in gold. Also it looks like Monahan is very popular with his teammates so he has not hurt the Jets chemistry. If Monahan plays like this into the POs and helps the Jets go on a long PO run he is well worth a #1 pick. As long as he stays healthy right now his contract is a steal and Chevy has done it again. Right now Monahan IS the Jets 2nd C and deserves a big raise and term next season. After all he is only 29 years old.

Monahan was an important player for the Habs. When he played for us we are playing for almost 500. After he left, we lost 4/5 games in a row. In those lost, a couple of times we had the lead in the 3rd. With Monahan we probably would have won the trade. I watched a couple of Jets game lately and your team seemed to win some very close game now. It bodes well for the playoff when all games are played tight.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

So, any Jets fan mad about paying a first for him ?

Edmonton is so stupid not to have jumped on the opportunity to get him. Super cheap contract and the price was very reasonable. He's a fantastic versatile veteran player.

But Namestnikov is better...

 

[sennysensen]

Why was Monahan so ineffective and declining at the end of his Calgary days?

And how did he regain his effectiveness with Montreal, and now Winnipeg?

Injury? Like, for example, did he have nagging repetitive groin injuries that slowed him down, which eventually healed?

 

[Gaud]

What I find frustrating with Anderson is that on a different team, with a different coach and playing system, he could be OK. Still likely overpaid, but not as useless as he's been recently. I can't help but wonder if Josh Anderson could be a fit in Philly, with his old coach who'd keep him on his toes.

This is about as good of a proof as you will get that some folks just dont fit in the philosophy of any given team. Oddly, this is a rarer case of that. Usually you will have a coach that wants his players to play exactly where he puts the X and Os on his board, and people who rely on their talent or instincts will suffer or be miserable.

MSL talks about the concept of "emmene ta game dans LA game" (bring your game in the game) and to not allow yourself to be typecast in a role. I think the example he gave was something like "it's not because you are a goon that you do other things". He gives his players broad outlines of what he wants them to accomplish, but encourages them to figure out how to do so using their own skill set. I think he is hoping to get his players to express themselves stylistically on the ice in other ways than they wouldnt have shown otherwise.

Anderson doesn't fit at all in that concept; he is an X or an O on a board of the type that crashes the net and gets a big assist when another X goes behind him to get the rebound. Once that rush is done, I rarely see him do anything noteworthy in the O zone.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

But Namestnikov is better...

Not sure what the laughing is about. Namestnikov is easily one of the best value for dollar players on that Jets team.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Not sure what the laughing is about. Namestnikov is easily one of the best value for dollar players on that Jets team.

And ? He's not better than Monahan, who is even cheaper...

Why was Monahan so ineffective and declining at the end of his Calgary days?

And how did he regain his effectiveness with Montreal, and now Winnipeg?

Injury? Like, for example, did he have nagging repetitive groin injuries that slowed him down, which eventually healed?

He was injured with Calgary and had a hips surgery, during the summer, before joining the Habs.

 

[pth2]

This is about as good of a proof as you will get that some folks just dont fit in the philosophy of any given team. Oddly, this is a rarer case of that. Usually you will have a coach that wants his players to play exactly where he puts the X and Os on his board, and people who rely on their talent or instincts will suffer or be miserable.

MSL talks about the concept of "emmene ta game dans LA game" (bring your game in the game) and to not allow yourself to be typecast in a role. I think the example he gave was something like "it's not because you are a goon that you do other things". He gives his players broad outlines of what he wants them to accomplish, but encourages them to figure out how to do so using their own skill set. I think he is hoping to get his players to express themselves stylistically on the ice in other ways than they wouldnt have shown otherwise.

Anderson doesn't fit at all in that concept; he is an X or an O on a board of the type that crashes the net and gets a big assist when another X goes behind him to get the rebound. Once that rush is done, I rarely see him do anything noteworthy in the O zone.

Well said; Anderson would be a better fit on a team with structured coaching and a finite number of set plays.

It seems every coach has 1-2 players who just can never fit in, which is why I don't always like coaching changes - it invariably leads to having to trade away a player or two at sub-optimal moments in their career.

Somewhat ironically, the best fit I've seen recently for Anderson was with a guy I assume might end up being the next Habs coach, André Tourigny in Arizona, whose team had many set plays off faceoffs and other game situations.

 

[Ezpz]

Why was Monahan so ineffective and declining at the end of his Calgary days?

And how did he regain his effectiveness with Montreal, and now Winnipeg?

Injury? Like, for example, did he have nagging repetitive groin injuries that slowed him down, which eventually healed?

he was injured, now he's not injured. he played through a torn labrum in Calgary in his last year there and had double hip surgery the offseason he was traded. His first year in Montreal was cut short because he had an ankle sprain he played on so he could play against Calgary and he tore his groin. We have him the entire season to rest and that is why he is back to his former level of play. His footspeed is gone but his skills and IQ are obvious. He's got plenty of effective years left as a 2C and he's not only better than Lindholm, he would have been a better pick up for every team that said he wouldn't make their top six. The numbers speak for themselves. Any two of his linemates combined for the whole season, which is about 7 guys, are still 5-10 points shy of Monahan in points.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Edmonton has more pressing needs than having Monahan as a 3c

Yep.

Monahan was a better fit in Winnipeg because they have a spot on the PP for him. We added Corey Perry for free instead, who’s a better fit for what we needed on the third line. Everyone should be happy. I still wouldn’t have traded our first for Monahan.