Wouldn't Ron Wilson have been way more successful with today's lineup?

[diceman934]

Here is the test......

With all the coaching positions that came available since his firing, has any GM considered him for another coaching job. I have not heard his name once as a possible coaching candidate. This should tell us all we need to know as a coach who is valued within the fraternity is not without a job for very long.

Ron Wilson is no longer considered as a valid coaching option within the NHL hockey community, so that is all we need to understand.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

The biggest difference by far between the Carylye teams and the Wilson teams is the special teams.

Wilson had no idea what he was doing. Carlyle is a genius. It's as simple as that. Carlyle isn't perfect, but his adjustments on the PP, and especially on the PK, have made this team much better.

There's no reason Wilson should have had a horrible PK for 4 consecutive seasons when we were constantly turning our roster over to acquire "PK specialists". Jay McClement is good, but one player does not make the PK go from worst to first. Our system has improved immensely on the PK and the team is better for it in all aspects.

 

[DD03]

Here is the test......

With all the coaching positions that came available since his firing, has any GM considered him for another coaching job. I have not heard his name once as a possible coaching candidate. This should tell us all we need to know as a coach who is valued within the fraternity is not without a job for very long.

Ron Wilson is no longer considered as a valid coaching option within the NHL hockey community, so that is all we need to understand.

Exactly. And you can bet your ass there was a line-up for Carlyle.

 

[KuleminFan41]

Here is the test......

With all the coaching positions that came available since his firing, has any GM considered him for another coaching job. I have not heard his name once as a possible coaching candidate. This should tell us all we need to know as a coach who is valued within the fraternity is not without a job for very long.

Ron Wilson is no longer considered as a valid coaching option within the NHL hockey community, so that is all we need to understand.

Nobody can say that with certainty though. We don't know if anyone has even asked Ron as he's gone into exile since being fired lol. Maybe he retired , maybe he doesn't want to coach anymore, who in the hell knows but to say he's not a valid option or that no body wanted him is a bit harsh and unfair thing to say because we just don't know.

 

[Raptactics29]

Nobody can say that with certainty though. We don't know if anyone has even asked Ron as he's gone into exile since being fired lol. Maybe he retired , maybe he doesn't want to coach anymore, who in the hell knows but to say he's not a valid option or that no body wanted him is a bit harsh and unfair thing to say because we just don't know.

Come on bro, he was fired by his BFF and cast away like old pizza crust. He's not a valid coaching option for the ECHL, nevermind an option to be taiken seriously by NHL clubs. Ron Wilson is perhaps the worst special teams coach ever to coach in the NHL. With an emphasis on special teams, and the importance of being as good as possible on both the PK and PP units respectively. Keeping pucks out of your net while down a man and being amongst the elite while up a skater will put Ws up for you like they're handing them out at an all you can eat buffet. I truly hope Wilson gets another crack at an NHL gig. Please let someone in our division higher him so we can mutilate a poorly coached run-and-gun offensive team that plays an almost one-on-one/zone coverage style defensive system, regardless of the skating abilities his 6 Dmen possess or who their opponents are.

 

[Ari91]

Carlyle inherited a more mature and experienced Kadri and Frattin. If Wilson were given the same, the question is would he have handled it the same? Are we going to suddenly discount the fact that Carlyle sheltered Kadri and Frattin particularly at the start of the year? Are we going to forget that his tireless line matching is what allowed Kadri and Frattin to have such effective minutes, which in turn gave them a lot of confidence?

It's not enough to just have the talent, it's how also how the coach uses that talent. Would Wilson have gotten the same results from Kadri and Frattin if he used a method different than Carlyle's? No one can say for certain that he would have. Not even sure why goaltending is an advantage for Carlyle. Both coaches had the same goalie to lean on and the same goalie gave them results. Goaltending was not the problem and goaltending stole points for the team under both coaches...Carlyle didn't get a significant upgrade in that department. And you can also talk about Reimer's injury during Wilson's time...but Gus stepped up admirably and got the job done. Gus was not the problem either.

Not saying Wilson was a horrible coach because in the past I did defend him and say that for most of his time in Toronto he really didn't have the player personnel but I'm just trying to argue against this idea that so long as the talent is there, the results would come regardless of who is giving the instructions behind the bench. St. Louis and LA are examples where it was the coach that made the biggest difference to the team, not the individual talent on it.

 

[ACC1224]

Here is the test......

With all the coaching positions that came available since his firing, has any GM considered him for another coaching job. I have not heard his name once as a possible coaching candidate. This should tell us all we need to know as a coach who is valued within the fraternity is not without a job for very long.

Ron Wilson is no longer considered as a valid coaching option within the NHL hockey community, so that is all we need to understand.

That doesn't really tell anything and would only be true if it was known that Wilson was looking for a job.

Of course we were always told Burke would never find another job.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Good time to bring this thread up, if Wilson was coaching, Leafs would have been scored upon on the 5 on 3, and we would not be leading after 2. Special teams folks, cannot be underrated. Leafs score on the PP and Ducks do not. Difference of the game thus far.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

I disliked Wilson...a lot but its a fair question the OP poses. Its difficult to say really because comparing the rosters...todays team is miles better than any of Wilson's teams. Miles better. The goaltending is not even close..Wilson had Toskala, JSG, Monster, some other stiffs I don't even recall...Reims was the best he had and for some reason the idiots were playing Giguere and Gustavsson.

Reimer and Bernier alone make a coach look better. With average goaltending the Leafs are .500 at best this year. At best.

 

[Koolboss]

Randy will become Wilson V2 once we start losing afew games
guarantee you that, Randy is as bad as Wilson. He is lucky he has a better team to coach. End of discussion folks

 

[ACC1224]

Good time to bring this thread up, if Wilson was coaching, Leafs would have been scored upon on the 5 on 3, and we would not be leading after 2. Special teams folks, cannot be underrated. Leafs score on the PP and Ducks do not. Difference of the game thus far.

You shouldn't underrate the Players, they've been excellent.

 

[mikebel111*]

Randy will become Wilson V2 once we start losing afew games
guarantee you that, Randy is as bad as Wilson. He is lucky he has a better team to coach. End of discussion folks

im sorry what