Would you rather keep Markstrom to mentor Wolf, or trade him for a haul?

[Rubi]

Trade him... we're trying to do a renovation here folks. Sell that expensive expensive dining room set to help pay for new kitchen appliances.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

If NJ is willing to part with their first I trade him in the blink of an eye. There are some really solid players available in the middle of the first.

Anything else would be gravy

 

[Iggys Dome]

Well if we don't have to retain anymore I think I've made my mind up pretty easily on the direction the team should go.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

Trade him. He's 34. It was just last year when this was an untradeable contract and he was in the bottom tier of starters in the league. This team won't be competing for a Stanley Cup in the 2 years remaining on his contract and his value will never be higher than it is now.

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Was completely onboard for keeping him to mentor Wolf, but if we're trading half of our top 4, we're going to be losing regardless and any veteran goalie can platoon with the kid to alleviate the pressure of losing.

Not to mention, Markstrom's value might not get higher than it is now. I'm afraid his value will go down when he gets shelled after we trade the rest of our defense. Have the chance to capitalize and get out from the rest of his contract without retention while grabbing some great futures...and it's not like we're going to be winning anytime during the rest of his contract. He's also 34.

Doesn't make sense to keep him. He gone.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Trade him.

I just wish we could have done these trades 3 weeks ago and not played with my feelings/hopes as we started winning.

 

[toddkaz]

Markstrom is 34. If you are gonna start tearing it down then don't do it half assed. Teams will pay for a good goalie.

 

[joescores]

Elite goalie but if Jersey come back with a great asset capital on the table, we got to let go. Lost 4:3 to Ducks just now and their starter kid looked worn down, didn’t make any major save on a few shots he had faced.

I think their GM shut his bed 2 weeks ago when he was probably haggling on retention..

 

[User1996]

I feel like it’s only a matter of time after those comments yesterday, still feels like off-season but I think he asks out.

 

[DFF]

Mentor what? Don’t they already have a goaltending coach or 2?

Trade him yesterday already

 

[User1996]

Mentor what? Don’t they already have a goaltending coach or 2?

Trade him yesterday already

Coaching and mentoring are certainly not the same.

Although I do think Markstrom should be dealt, that’s an incredibly important distinction to make. The main reason I wouldn’t be onboard with a Vladar/Wolf tandem next year, really.

 

[DFF]

Coaching and mentoring are certainly not the same.

Although I do think Markstrom should be dealt, that’s an incredibly important distinction to make. The main reason I wouldn’t be onboard with a Vladar/Wolf tandem next year, really.

Wolf either has it or he doesn’t

What make you think the mentorship from Markstrom would make a big difference ? Or even Markstrom is a good mentor?

 

[User1996]

Wolf either has it or he doesn’t

What make you think the mentorship from Markstrom would make a big difference ? Or even Markstrom is a good mentor?

It’s not on him to either have it or not have it - that’s a coaching thing.

Markstrom has the experience of being a highly touted prospect who struggled to break through for a bit before becoming one of the best goalies in the league. That’s not nothing.

Again, I didn’t even say he should be mentored by Markstrom - the assets from that trade could be huge, and the relationship between he and the Flames have soured. But Wolf needs something, and it sure isn’t coming from Vladar.

 

[Siignal]

this is really weird smelling copium

 

[nuck]

If NJ is willing to part with their first I trade him in the blink of an eye. There are some really solid players available in the middle of the first.

Anything else would be gravy

Yeah that first is a mystery box and could easily be top 12 which is Iginla territory. Without Markstrom the Flames pick top 10 where there are 3 blue chip D available after the top 5.

 

[nuck]

I’m torn between keeping Markstrom and trading him this summer. On one hand, I think he’d be the perfect mentor for Wolf. He would be able to shelter Wolf by start ~60ish games and well, mentor him. Markstrom is a fierce competitor and seems to be well regarded by the team and organization.

The other side of me wants to trade him for a decent haul ( say roster player, young player, first round pick kind of return). It would kick start this rebuild/ re-tool into overdrive. We would also be guaranteed to finish bottom 10 next year, thus making sure that Florida doesn’t get out 2025 first rounder (someone correct me if I’m wrong on that).

What says you, HF Flames?

Some players might benefit from a mentor like that but it isn't a measurable thing. Different eras and very different styles for those two. I wouldn't assume its necessary for Wolf's success. In terms of carrying the weight, you don't need a Markstrom level goalie to prevent Wolf from being over used, just a durable one. I think they need to add a better vet than Vladar no matter what, and I suspect one would be coming back to make the cap work for the other club, I think the Jersey deal is dead but as an example they would have been sending Vanicek back for sure and he was actually pretty decent until this season. 52 games last year so he can be a horse if needed.

 

[Boomstick]

Can I vote for both choices?
We have to look back a few years, we struggled in net forever once Kipper retired.
We had so many retreads in net. I know Wolf is coming with a strong pedigree, and last year when Markstrom struggled it was tough to watch. You need good to great goaltending for the Flames. We can compete with great goaltending, we can't compete with mediocre goaltending.

If we can get an absolute haul that nobody in their right mind can turn down then yes, take it, trade Markstrom.
If that offer does not come through, I'm on board to holding onto him until that offer does come.
So I'm kind of torn. I'm in my early 50's, I don't want to watch us flounder in the basement while we rebuild with a bunch of stop-gap players. Every season I think playoffs, that's the goal right? Get into the playoffs and compete for Lord Stanley.
Most of the time you need a goalie that steals games unless you have a hell of a complete team. At the moment we do not have that complete team.
Anyways, I'm on the fence.
If he's traded I'm excited to see what's coming, that's for sure.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Trade him if you're getting a Holtz+1st or Mercer straight up type of deal. You can always go out and sign a Talbot like vet in free agency

 

[joescores]

The idea of having Wolf as our A guy is scary. The guy hasn't shown anything tangible in the Show to let me believe in him.

On that merit, if we let Marky go- before TDL or in the summer- I want Vladar at the helm as our main guy.

 

[Rubi]

If true, a lot of us owe Connie an apology.

Seravalli: Don Maloney nixed Markstrom trade with New Jersey on behalf of Flames ownership

The Calgary Flames made it far down the road on a Jacob Markstrom deal...

flamesnation.ca

 

[Backlund]

I'd like to know why but it's probably Murray hanging on to playoff hopes again.

 

[Nanuuk]

At this point Vladar has grown his game and matured enough, from playing with Markstrom, to be able to commiserate with a young Wolf and pass along words of wisdom when needed.

The Flames also have goaltending coaches who played the game that can also give Wolf the benefit of their experiences.

What none have, I presume, is that fire and competitiveness that Marky brings.

Oh I'm sure both Vladdy and Wolf have competitiveness, but perhaps not yet at the level the Marky has.

So as much as I would like to keep Marky, that's why we signed him after all, it makes more sense to trade him than one of the others.

 

[Mobiandi]

This is a summer trade

 

[crackdown44]

This is a summer trade

Sweet let’s see how much we can tank his value playing Oesterle in the top 4 once Hanifin is gone

 

[Lunatik]

This is a summer trade

Maybe, really depends on the offer. Devils shit canned Ruff finally, so they might just be desperate enough to give in to our demands.