Would you be willing to endure 2 - 1/2 years of...
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Lazlo Hollyfeld
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Only 2 and a half years of being a dumpster fire to get 3 young, high end players? Yes please.
Then the Wings can load up on free agents and trades while those young guys are still on cheap contracts and hopefully make some runs at the Cup.
Then the Wings can load up on free agents and trades while those young guys are still on cheap contracts and hopefully make some runs at the Cup.
Hammettf2b
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If only it were that easy.
I don't see any combination of realistic free agent signings and trades that would make this team a contender. We basically don't have a choice but to suck for the next few years.
MabusIncarnate
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I was more annoyed with trying to squeeze into playoffs and getting eliminated in the first round, then I am now watching this last place team. I'd pick being patient and giving it a couple years for sure, and only entertain trades and signings if it helps the future. I don't want any mid 30's vet signings with the current state of this team.
Lazlo Hollyfeld
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We've got this year. And probably 2 more anticipated years without playoffs. Let's just lock that in now.
What I think Yzerman will do starting this off-season is look to make signings and trades that set the team up for the playoffs in that window. So, as an example, while signing a guy like Krug might feel meaningless for next year, the goal would be to have a defender in their early 30s as the Wings prospects transition to full-time NHLers.
So no, I don't want immediate results. But also, this team won't magically be "ready" and then you add all the free agents and trades in one fell swoop. Players become available as they become available, not when you're "ready." You get the guys that make sense, when you get a chance. Krugs don't pop up every off-season. Particularly those that would actually want to sign in Detroit. Our blueline the last decade is very much evidence of that.
What I think Yzerman will do starting this off-season is look to make signings and trades that set the team up for the playoffs in that window. So, as an example, while signing a guy like Krug might feel meaningless for next year, the goal would be to have a defender in their early 30s as the Wings prospects transition to full-time NHLers.
So no, I don't want immediate results. But also, this team won't magically be "ready" and then you add all the free agents and trades in one fell swoop. Players become available as they become available, not when you're "ready." You get the guys that make sense, when you get a chance. Krugs don't pop up every off-season. Particularly those that would actually want to sign in Detroit. Our blueline the last decade is very much evidence of that.
82Ninety42011
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LOL I'm a Canucks fan 2.5 years is nothing I've been waiting 38 years since becoming a fan. If the goal is to win the Cup 2.5 years is nothing as long as the fans support the team and the owner can survive without the playoff revenue. Once your a contender the revenue is way more anyway playing more then just the first round. Pretty sure Hockey Town would be fine sucking for another year or two to get back to former heights.
Marky9er
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Lafreniere-Clarke-Wright would be worth the wait. Sign Scheifele at UFA.
Marky9er
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I read it a few years back: Scheifele grew up a wings fan. I was heartbroken when he signed a 7 year deal...
UFA 2024 at 31 years old. Will thay coincide with a window opening to contend? I hope so.
I'm with @MabusIncarnate , @Bench , and others who have mentioned that this team is likely to be pretty bad regardless of what we do and it's best to, well, not embrace it but to just deal with it. at the same time, I don't really see a point in being a tire fire for 82 games. Yeah, the odds are better that they will end up with 1oa, but they aren't good enough to really make me embrace it. And I'm entirely fine with signing guys for a year if we plan on turning around and dealing them off at the TDL, or signing them for a couple of years to give us the wiggle room to deal off a bigger current piece (like AA).
I expect this team to be a bottom5 team again next year, there are just too many issues to be fixed, but there's no real reason to be historically bad.
I expect this team to be a bottom5 team again next year, there are just too many issues to be fixed, but there's no real reason to be historically bad.
It's pretty clear this season was throw Flip and Nemeth out there and hope it's passable. Ah shoot, it wasn't. Injuries haven't helped, that's for sure, but still we all knew this team was going to be bad. Hard to imagine there's not at least 2 significant moves this off-season. If we go into next year having only added our draft picks and a couple vets on 2 x $3 million deals... oh boy. Strap in.
MBH
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Great.
What if you end up with the next Virtanen, Tkachuk and Hischier.
Asking to be a cellar dweller for two more years? No thanks.
We were a very bad team on paper from day one. We are a historically bad team on account of injuries and goaltending. If your goal is to avoid being historically bad, just take care of those two things. I too think there will be two moves this offseason, I just don't know how significant they will be. There is no one in the system not already in Detroit who I expect to be impactful at the NHL level next year. In terms of draft eligibles, I can only see one player in the class having a consistent impact and even he isn't going to step in as a 50+ point player with this team.
There is a reason that the Titanic hit the iceberg. We will be very bad for 3-4 more years at a minimum. Not historically bad, but still at or near the bottom of the standings.
HisNoodliness
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If this only takes 2 1/2 half years I'll be ecstatic.
I really don't want to see an effort at immediate results. That would be insane
I think there's some fantastic goalies available via trade or free agency. If Yzerman doesn't snag one, I'm going to be seriously disappointed.
Or...
and hear me out...
draft one...
Top 5?
Frk It
Mo Seider Less Problems
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Mommy taught me never to trust a goalie.
On a more serious note, say we did draft Askarov as you suggest, how many years away from being an NHL starter (say 50+ games per year) do you see him? What I find most perplexing about these discussions about the relevancy timeframe is that having access to really good draftees is only one part of the equation. Even when you draft high, there is no guarantee that these kids will be productive NHL players in their D+2 or even D+3 seasons. They may be on NHL rosters, but as we know, that is much different than being productive at the NHL level.
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The Wings will be bad until you fix the D. Which depending on how you handle this off season may not take as long as you think.
Say you add Krug, bring up Seider, and get a healthy DD.
Hronek-DD
Krug-Nemeth
Seider-Cholo/Ufa
That isn't a terrible D and has a dman on each pair that is able to complete a pass. That helps your goalie and offense a ton.
Now I don't expect a playoff team with that but I don't think we are bottom 2 either.
Bert-Lark-Mantha
Zadina-Ras-Fabbri
Laf-Flip-Smith
Abby-Glen-UFA
Isn't terrible if you have guys that can move the puck up. We don't have the high end talent but that is a team that could be deadly in transition and good at getting dirty goals. Also this assumes AA, Helm, and Bowey are traded or let go. Nielson dumped in the minors.
Say you add Krug, bring up Seider, and get a healthy DD.
Hronek-DD
Krug-Nemeth
Seider-Cholo/Ufa
That isn't a terrible D and has a dman on each pair that is able to complete a pass. That helps your goalie and offense a ton.
Now I don't expect a playoff team with that but I don't think we are bottom 2 either.
Bert-Lark-Mantha
Zadina-Ras-Fabbri
Laf-Flip-Smith
Abby-Glen-UFA
Isn't terrible if you have guys that can move the puck up. We don't have the high end talent but that is a team that could be deadly in transition and good at getting dirty goals. Also this assumes AA, Helm, and Bowey are traded or let go. Nielson dumped in the minors.
Hammettf2b
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In this scenario who is AA traded for? I dont see any new additions other than UFA's
deca guard
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im not on board with allowing the team to struggle that long . at same time i wouldnt trade futures or large long term cap space spent on a old ufa for short term help . but ide be after help to improve next years team with a signing like lehner . and maybe that swede dman on chicago . both are young enough to matter come 2022/23 when i want to be trouble in the playoffs , and if younger ufa replacments pop up trade these guys for futures out there in 2024 . so if i can get these guys i do it knowing theyll improve record right away and because theyll also be sort of long term help , PLUS make the team happier to be more competitive instead of being marched on every nite which is not good for the organization . and maybe krug being that hes only played 550 games might be a good long term add . the key is not handing out too long of term , ide rather pay top dollar shorter term , and not handing out no trade clauses that last too long .
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Mo Seider Less Problems
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X-Hronek
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If we have Hronek and Seider in our top 4 next year, I will at least live with watching them mature and grow together. We just need to bring someone in on the left side to log minutes and bump Dekeyser down. Whether that is Brodie/Krug, or someone we get via trade, I don't care. But I think that is a hole we have to address this off-season. The other hole likely being 2nd line center.
Lafreniere or Byfield change our whole roster building approach, because I think they stop onto the team in a top 6 capacity next year. Anyone else, and we are probably a few years away from the giving ups an impact.
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