TatarTangle
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While he's probably not the Russian that Datsyuk has wanted but if trading for him ensures Datsyuk re-signing a multi-year deal then send the farm
I think what we're seeing here is a reaction to Burmistrov's pre-draft/immediately post-draft stock. Most of us haven't kept up with Winnipeg, so we didn't know that Burmistrov has done quite poorly of late (even in the AHL, as you've pointed out) and seems to be trending downward instead of upward. Sure, he was drafted 12th overall, but it's hard to believe that now if you watch him.Why??? Burmistrov couldnt score in the AHL, they're the same age and Tatar has shown more upside in the NHL already... Why would you be willing to give up a better player? Because of where he was drafted? Because he's worth more in NHL13?
Tatar is a much better player...
I think what we're seeing here is a reaction to Burmistrov's pre-draft/immediately post-draft stock. Most of us haven't kept up with Winnipeg, so we didn't know that Burmistrov has done quite poorly of late (even in the AHL, as you've pointed out) and seems to be trending downward instead of upward. Sure, he was drafted 12th overall, but it's hard to believe that now if you watch him.
Right now, he looks like he's on track to become a poor man's Val Filppula. That's hardly worth trading Jarnkrok or Tatar for.
I think what we're seeing here is a reaction to Burmistrov's pre-draft/immediately post-draft stock. Most of us haven't kept up with Winnipeg, so we didn't know that Burmistrov has done quite poorly of late (even in the AHL, as you've pointed out) and seems to be trending downward instead of upward. Sure, he was drafted 12th overall, but it's hard to believe that now if you watch him.
Right now, he looks like he's on track to become a poor man's Val Filppula. That's hardly worth trading Jarnkrok or Tatar for.
I understand... It's the EASports mentality that fans look to for prospect ratings.. People dont actually watch much of other teams. The guy is really struggling. He's young though and maybe he'll grow into a player. Just not at the Wings' expense of a Tatar.
You're right. 12th in the import draft.He was picked 8th.
i would not.I'd move Tatar for him.
that seems right to me.Why??? Burmistrov couldnt score in the AHL, they're the same age and Tatar has shown more upside in the NHL already... Why would you be willing to give up a better player? Because of where he was drafted? Because he's worth more in NHL13?
Only young players/prospects I wouldn't move for Burmistrov would be Jarnkrok, Tatar, Nyquist, XO, Sproul, Jurco, and Frk.
I think if we moved on this guy, it'd be with the understanding he'd be starting next year in GR. I think Atlanta rushed him, and the fact that he hasn't been able to produce in the AHL is troubling to me.
I'd want to build a trade around a 1st round pick, because I think it's about the same odds that either pans out into what we hope. And both would probably end up on about the same timeline for making Detroit as a full-timer. I don't think the risk/reward is worth one of our top10 prospects.
I think if we moved on this guy, it'd be with the understanding he'd be starting next year in GR. I think Atlanta rushed him, and the fact that he hasn't been able to produce in the AHL is troubling to me.
I'd want to build a trade around a 1st round pick, because I think it's about the same odds that either pans out into what we hope. And both would probably end up on about the same timeline for making Detroit as a full-timer. I don't think the risk/reward is worth one of our top10 prospects.
Burmi is not exempt from waivers.
Why??? Burmistrov couldnt score in the AHL, they're the same age and Tatar has shown more upside in the NHL already... Why would you be willing to give up a better player? Because of where he was drafted? Because he's worth more in NHL13?
Tatar is a much better player...
i've seen in JETS boards that he is a fisical 2 way and kills penalties and what ever will makes Pavel stay longer. I like the idia to bring him here, but what is the real reason he asked for trade?
I hear he isn't impressed with coaching staff/his role on the team.
Why does he want out of Winnipeg?
Filppula isn't all that much older, is a better version of essentially the same player, has no locker room issues, and wouldn't cost anything more than cap space.Because Burmistrov was drafted 8th for a reason, he's already great defensively and his offensive upside is high. He's exactly what this team needs, a young center with lots of upside and to top it off he's Russian and Datsyuk is his idol. He fits the Red Wing mold well. Tatar is awesome and I wouldn't move him for anything mediocre. But Burmistrov is exactly what this team needs.
Filppula isn't all that much older, is a better version of essentially the same player, has no locker room issues, and wouldn't cost anything more than cap space.
I don't see what the Wings have to gain. I think the fact that he went 8th is figuring too prominently in people's judgments. 8th overalls bust too.
I'm not convinced by the idea that bringing in any Russian at all will keep Datsyuk around, either. The problem is less the Russianness of the lineup and more family ties back home. Unless you manage to trade for his daughter, I don't think anything changes much.
Filppula isn't all that much older, is a better version of essentially the same player, has no locker room issues, and wouldn't cost anything more than cap space.
I don't see what the Wings have to gain. I think the fact that he went 8th is figuring too prominently in people's judgments. 8th overalls bust too.
I'm not convinced by the idea that bringing in any Russian at all will keep Datsyuk around, either. The problem is less the Russianness of the lineup and more family ties back home. Unless you manage to trade for his daughter, I don't think anything changes much.