Would no management at all have been better than this management?

[Giggli G]

Someone posted in the press conference thread about how if you went back to 2010 and didn’t make any trades, and just drafted the highest ranked remaining player on ISS every time, the team would be better than it is now.

That resonated with me. Was it true? Well, I went ahead and tested the theory, using only the first two rounds of the draft and only the top 30 rankings from ISS.

Remember, this assumes that no expiring assets are traded and that all NHL capable players are resigned. It also assumes that we do not sign any free agents whatsoever. In essence, it is a ridiculous scheme in many ways because there would definitely be opportunities to trade for mutual benefit with other teams, and we would also obviously sign depth players as free agents, at the very least.

Roster Players from 2010 still in the NHL (or sort of):

Cogliano
Horcoff
Hemsky
Penner
Smid
Gilbert
Visnovsky
Souray
Dubnyk

Existing Prospects:
Eberle
Paajarvi
Riley Nash
Lander

2010 Draft:
Pick Hall 1st overall
Pick Jon Merill instead of Tyler Pitlick 31st.
Other picks came from trades so are excluded

2011 Draft
Pick Nugent Hopkins 1st overall
We don’t get Klefbom although he is the highest ranked player at 19. Obviously we all would have made the Penner trade but this assumes that there is actually no management.
Take Grimaldi at 31

2012 Draft
Pick Yakupov 1st overall
Pick Collberg at 31 over Mitch Moroz

2013
Pick Nichushkin 8th overall over Nurse

2014
Pick Dal Colle at 3 instead of Draisaitl (bit of a weird ranking by ISS IMO, he is ahead of Bennett too)

BTW – ISS for 2015 has Strome ahead of Hanafin

Roster

Coach – Tom Renney (Pat Quinn Deceased)

Hall – Nugent Hopkins – Eberle
Nichushkin – Gagner – Yakupov
Cogliano – Nash – Hemsky
Paajarvi – Horcoff – Lander
Penner

Gilbert – Petry
Smid – Visnovsky
Souray - Merill

Dubnyk
X

This team has way better defensive ability and I would say is definitely a superior team overall. It also has a great coach. Other trades and signings could have been made – we could have done the trade with Penner and had Klefbom to add to this mix, and we could have done something like the Perron trade. We could have still signed Shultz as a 3rd pairing powerplay specialist.

This speaks to just how bad management has been in this organization. When we talk about how HFers could do a better job than this management, it’s no joke. An idiot could do a better job. Here’s the proof.

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[smackdaddy]

Not fair.

Cross off Nash, Visnovsky, Souray as they wanted out.

 

[Up the Irons]

I would say yes. Certainly it would cost less for Katz.

I am always dumbfounded that he pays three guys, probably north of 2mil/per, with the plan (THE PLAN) to basically just be terrible long enough to amass enough top 3 picks, that finally you are good, even if it means bottom 3 for a decade.

A chimp could carry out that plan.

 

[Mr Forever]

I sincerely believe polling HFboards for every major roster decision would be more successful than this management group.

Anyone wanna put some money together and buy the Coyotes?

 

[Up the Irons]

I sincerely believe polling HFboards for every major roster decision would be more successful than this management group.

Anyone wanna put some money together and buy the Coyotes?

well, it's been proven that their draft record was/is worse then simply following Central Scouting's list.

 

[CC96]

I sincerely believe polling HFboards for every major roster decision would be more successful than this management group.

Anyone wanna put some money together and buy the Coyotes?

Yo, I'm in!

 

[harpoon]

I am always dumbfounded that he pays three guys, probably north of 2mil/per, with the plan (THE PLAN) to basically just be terrible long enough to amass enough top 3 picks, that finally you are good, even if it means bottom 3 for a decade.

Yes but he's asking Lowe and MacT to not only sewer the team but to sewer their reputations as well.

Ask yourself how much you would demand from Mr Katz if he came to you tomorrow and said "Mr Up the Irons, I've been loving your work on hfoil. To be honest Kevin and Craig have outlived their usefulness to me and I'm looking for a credible community voice to help cram my propaganda down the necks of the fans for another two seasons at least. You can expect to be the object of vigorous attacks from all quarters, but when my strategy of losing for the picks (just until I move into my new digs, promise ... or at most one more season past that) pays off, and believe me it will, you will be a god in Edmonton. Lower case g as opposed to my upper case. Please accept the offer of employment and I promise you won't get the dirty like Quinn and Renney and Krueger did. I'm legitimately done with sacrificing pawns for the goal. Promise."

I mean I'm not an ex-NHLer from the glory days and even I like to think I wouldn't sell my integrity, sanity, reputation and remaining hair for a couple million.

Think of it that way, these guys are probably underpaid relative to the money Katz stands to make by using up their reputations.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Honestly No, no GM would leave things in an even worse place. That doesn't mean these guys have been good, it's just with any structure things would have even more terrible.

 

[oobga]

For amateur scouting, I think just using the central scouting list and picking the next highest guy on the list at each of our picks would have been way better than what we did over the last decade plus. I think that was actually proven in an article a while back that analysed the draft records of all teams and compared to scouting lists, but too lazy to go find it

 

[joestevens29]

Does taking the best player in hindsight mean that they'd be the best player if we took them? This team has had major issues with development, which has finally come around after MacT took the realm and focused more on giving young players time in the AHL rather than play vets to create a successful winning environment.

 

[Oilers10]

I've said this before but it really kind of irks me that guys getting paid millions to run this organization as so called "experts" in hockey management have finished 30th, 30th, 29th, 24th, 28th, 28th in NHL standings. The team could seriously do no worse with no management and if you took top posters from HF like a BBO/Replacement management team I would throw my house down that we would be in a better spot in the rebuild.

 

[Beerfish]

The thing that has sunk this team as much as anything is not the top pick but getting virtually nothing out of any round past 2 (and often 2 as well) and getting rid of assets at bargain basement low prices.

We like to focus on the very high picks all the time but picking at the head or near the head of each and every round should be a huge advantage over a number of years. It has translated into almost nothing for the oilers.

I think a better served excersize would be picking strictly according to rankings rounds 3 to the end.

 

[Psychoil]

yes, no management would of been lightyears better. That's how bad MacT and co is.


Seriously I honestly believe everyone on HFoil is smarter than Mact and if I was the GM, it wouldn't be hard to finish above 28th every year

 

[ekcut]

Not saying they are doing a good job, but people on here aren't as smart as they think they are, and things are aren't as black and white as they seem.

Yes, we got jack all for Hemsky, but teams weren't going to give us jack all for him. And he signed in Dallas and proved that he is nothing special. Of course hind site says we should have dealt him 2yrs ago while he still had value (exactly like we did with Peron, and management still got ripped for that)

 

[joestevens29]

Not saying they are doing a good job, but people on here aren't as smart as they think they are, and things are aren't as black and white as they seem.

Yes, we got jack all for Hemsky, but teams weren't going to give us jack all for him. And he signed in Dallas and proved that he is nothing special. Of course hind site says we should have dealt him 2yrs ago while he still had value (exactly like we did with Peron, and management still got ripped for that)

The difference being Hemsky 2 years ago was getting older and slowing down at 29. Perron is at 26 in potential prime years. Perron still had value for this team for the next few years, unless it was made clear he wouldn't re-sign here.

 

[Giggli G]

The thing that has sunk this team as much as anything is not the top pick but getting virtually nothing out of any round past 2 (and often 2 as well) and getting rid of assets at bargain basement low prices.

We like to focus on the very high picks all the time but picking at the head or near the head of each and every round should be a huge advantage over a number of years. It has translated into almost nothing for the oilers.

I think a better served excersize would be picking strictly according to rankings rounds 3 to the end.

Yeah, I wanted to do that but I have only been able to find the ISS top 30 lists for free online.