SoupNazi
Serenity now. Insanity later.
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I was being sincere, but this bad boy image you're giving me is going to be awesome with the ladies.
Ladies dig ya.
I was being sincere, but this bad boy image you're giving me is going to be awesome with the ladies.
IDK why Cujo gets flak, but this town mercilessly hard on goalies (not Montreal bad, but not that far removed). He had a team that did nothing in front of him, and the offensive strategy basically consisted of taking perimeter shots all game long. I thought Holland's treatment of Cujo was fairly shameful for a pro athlete, Ozzie's wasn't much better when he was waived.
I feel bad for what happened to Cujo here, but he was certainly well compensated for all the grief he took and he sold out his home market to make it happen. I wish it would have gone better, but the beginning of the end wasn't just Hasek arrival but the rather famous practice fight with Yzerman. Keep in mind as upsetting as that situation was, he had some problems with teammates as well. That whole situation was mishandled, but by everyone involved Cujo included in that as far as some of the professionalism stories that were leaking at the time.
What was the deal with Yzerman and Joseph?
What was the deal with Yzerman and Joseph?
I feel bad for what happened to Cujo here, but he was certainly well compensated for all the grief he took and he sold out his home market to make it happen. I wish it would have gone better, but the beginning of the end wasn't just Hasek arrival but the rather famous practice fight with Yzerman. Keep in mind as upsetting as that situation was, he had some problems with teammates as well. That whole situation was mishandled, but by everyone involved Cujo included in that as far as some of the professionalism stories that were leaking at the time.
I remember hearing rumors of Joseph wearing his jersey inside-out at a practice. Any truth to that?
Yes.Didn't Bowman recommend Barry Smith?
I used to hang out in a group that included Lewis' daughter (before, during, and after his hire as head coach). Mostly nice girl, not trying to slander the Lewis name, but.... the sense of entitlement that ran in that family was over the top. I don't think it served them well. It's known that Lewis was too easy on his players, and that that was a large part of his failure, but there was more to it than that. Great assistant/associate coach, but it should have been clear to the brass that he wasn't going to make a good head coach. Should have been Smith.
Essensa was their big acquisition that year, he was supposed to finally give us a goalie that we could compete in the playoffs with and Osgood was a rookie.
He was benched after the first game of the series after a terrible game. Osgood came in won the next 2 and then he screwed up playing the puck in the 4th for the Shark's GWG and Essensa got the start in the 6th and stunk up the joint. The GWG goal in that came was a weak slap shot glove side from the point by a rookie Czech defenseman (name escapes me now), that would have been an easy save for any peewee goalie.
Neither guy should have been the choice. That was really a part of the problem, great assistants but no need for either to take on the real head job, something that was thankfully corrected shortly.
Yes.
Devellano was good friends with Lewis (going back to the Islander days) and him and Holland choose Lewis over Smith. Bowman was good friends with Smith and wanted him to take over as head coach after the 97 season. Devellano and him clashed over it, then the limo accident occurred and Scotty decided to come back. There was all kinds of rumblings behind closed doors that Bowman and Devellano did not get along. Scotty was the one that went to Ilitch and told him to match the Carolina offer sheet for Fedorov. He did not want draft picks for a team that was in "win now" mode.
I definitely supported Bowman's choice. But I wound up meeting Smith a short time later. Guy is a jerk.
Another reason he probably would have made a better coach than Lewis Babcock's a jerk too, after all.
But Babcock is comfy in his own skin. He's arrogant and fairly articulate. Smith mumbles and he's just not very personable. He might have been a great coach, but I wonder if he could have been able to handle the media and PR aspects of the job
Which is funny because Devallano (in his autobiography) claimed that he recommended Bowman to Ilitch in 1993. At the time, Ilitch wanted to go after Mike Keenan.Jimmy D didn't want Bowman in here as coach but Ilitch forced it. Jimmy D didn't want Bowman as GM, but Bowman went around Jimmy D and became GM.
There were two camps;
The Jimmy D/Ken Holland Camp
The Bowman Camp.
Jimmy D didn't want Bowman in here as coach but Ilitch forced it. Jimmy D didn't want Bowman as GM, but Bowman went around Jimmy D and became GM.
Finally, a few years later, Jimmy D talked Mike Ilitch into making Holland the GM and Bowman the coach
And when Bowman left, he lobbied hard for Smith. Holland lobbied for Lewis. Jimmy D and Mike Ilitch came out in favor of Holland.
Bowman lost.
There's a decent section on it in Bowman's autobiography.
I definitely supported Bowman's choice. But I wound up meeting Smith a short time later. Guy is a jerk.
Vernon was starter in two playoff years for Detroit, getting us to the finals twice, winning once.
Osgood, for whatever reason, also seemed to have lots of trouble with the Colorado avalanche his first time here.
Ozzie vs Roy never worked out well for us.
Vernon vs Roy did. Hasek vs Roy did.
There were two camps;
The Jimmy D/Ken Holland Camp
The Bowman Camp.
Jimmy D didn't want Bowman in here as coach but Ilitch forced it. Jimmy D didn't want Bowman as GM, but Bowman went around Jimmy D and became GM.
Finally, a few years later, Jimmy D talked Mike Ilitch into making Holland the GM and Bowman the coach
And when Bowman left, he lobbied hard for Smith. Holland lobbied for Lewis. Jimmy D and Mike Ilitch came out in favor of Holland.
Bowman lost.
There's a decent section on it in Bowman's autobiography.
I definitely supported Bowman's choice. But I wound up meeting Smith a short time later. Guy is a jerk.
Which is funny because Devallano (in his autobiography) claimed that he recommended Bowman to Ilitch in 1993. At the time, Ilitch wanted to go after Mike Keenan.
JimmyD/Holland and Scotty get all the credit for those 90's Wings teams but I think Bryan Murray deserves some credit as well. He drafted some key players while he was GM in the early 90's.
1990 draft
Keith Primeau (used in trade for Shanahan)
Vyacheslav Kozlov
Osgood was healthy for one series vs. Colorado. It was his fourth playoff series in his career.