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Preferably Boqvist or Wahlstrom.
Probably would need Boqvist more given the area of weakness on the Backend is greater.
Knowing Benning though, he'll wish for Tkachuk to land on his feet.
Post-Game Talk: With 58% odds to pick 7th or 8th, Vancouver will select... 7th in the 2018 NHL Draft
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Preferably Boqvist or Wahlstrom.
Probably would need Boqvist more given the area of weakness on the Backend is greater.
Knowing Benning though, he'll wish for Tkachuk to land on his feet.
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Benning won't take Tkachuk. He'll think Hughes is too small. If those are the two left at 7, he'll go off the board. Just watch.
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Weren't there reports that he was high on Tkachuk? Seems like a player Benning would favour.
Either way without much guidance he'll f*** it up as usual.
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There were but I don't buy it. He could've had the better one but instead came away with f***ing Juolevi two years ago.
My guess is he'll take whichever dman is biggest but worst in his own zone or he'll reach and the pundits will laugh and lament our lot as fans of this team.
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After seeing that we are picking at# 7 ,I was neither happy or pissed off...More of a relief that we didn't drop to #8..Add another good quality player into the Canucks draft pool.
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I don't think Linden and Benning want to see Keith around all the time. Hard feelings from the old days.
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Over the last three years, we've finished 3rd last, 2nd last, and 6th last. Even with the lottery system, the odds of NOT getting a single top 3 choice over those 3 years is roughly 30%. The Phoenix GM is right with the gamblers fallacy in that previous bad luck has no bearing on future luck, but from an objective perspective the Canucks have been unlucky over the course of the last three years to end up without a single lottery win.
The rules changed at the literal worst time for this team, but given our history...I'm not surprised in the slightest. Praying we're able to come out of this with someone like Quinn Hughes, but I'm not holding my breath.
The rules changed at the literal worst time for this team, but given our history...I'm not surprised in the slightest. Praying we're able to come out of this with someone like Quinn Hughes, but I'm not holding my breath.
For me this is the post of the month combining the whole idiotic "Astroturf" thing with the idiotic "Juolevi is a bust" complaint and the cherry on top is the certainty that Benning will "obviously" make a bad pick this year (like Boeser or Pettersson perhaps). Like so many of the disgruntled masses there is the faint promise that he "might be done with this crap" (key word here is "might". As if) Godspeed sez I...
Umm... when has Benning simply gone with the bigger Dman or player in the draft with his first or second picks?
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Never. But I'm basing my intuition on the team's glaring need for a dman and Benning's remarkable ability to pick up dmen who are crap in their own zone.
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Center depth is generally important and probably a team's first priority. But Chicago's teams had Sharp at center and he wasn't really considered a center at the time. But to counter that they had Seabrook/Ketih.
LA Had Kopitar/Brown, then Doughty on the backend.
Pittsburgh had two franchise centers and did a good job adding the two depth guys in bonino/cullen etc but they also had letang.
From those examples I'd say you need two generational centers to make up for lake of D-depth. For Chicago their dominant first D-pair made up for having wingers as their next best players after Toews.
Pains me to say it, but goalie is probably the easiest position to skimp on. You just need somebody competent.
LA Had Kopitar/Brown, then Doughty on the backend.
Pittsburgh had two franchise centers and did a good job adding the two depth guys in bonino/cullen etc but they also had letang.
From those examples I'd say you need two generational centers to make up for lake of D-depth. For Chicago their dominant first D-pair made up for having wingers as their next best players after Toews.
Pains me to say it, but goalie is probably the easiest position to skimp on. You just need somebody competent.
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Canucks could trade seventh to Edmonton and still get Bode Wilde. Benning might be able to leverage something out of Chiarelli?
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Sorry I don’t comprehend this. If you sign a player that either could be great for you, or could be a bust for you, you mitigate risk with a shorter term deal.
Same thing with future cap problems.
If you have a bunch of young guys that will become RFA’s in 3-4 years and will need to be re-upped, then you sign *high ticket UFA guy* to a front loaded shorter term deal instead of a longer one.
There’s no way of knowing that obviously, but I think it’s inportant for a GM to give his boys the vote of confidence. “You guys finished the year strong even though we were without Boeser, and we beat some teams that were desperately trying to make the playoffs or increase their position. We want you guys to have playoff experience. Let’s try and get there.”
If players on the Canucks know in early July that they’ve signed/acquired some major pieces, then it not only gives players that much more incentive to train harder in the off-season, but the young kids also come into camp with more enthusiasm.
As far as Tavares goes, I’ll ask you this:
How many current contending teams out there can offer a batshit crazy offer of $56 million over 4 years?......:14 million cap hit? I’m guessing not very many.
Why not let Tavares have his cake and eat it too? Give Tavares a boatload of money for 4 years. After 4 years? He’s still 31 and still very much in his prime. At that time, he can choose to go to a contender and get his cup, be it in Vancouver or somewhere else. 31 year old Tavares will still get offered a massive contract.
Matter of opinion I guess, although I think if we really sat down and went over all the historical data it would be proved that depth at center trumps "Franchise D" even recently, Penguins: DEEP at center,last year won the cup with their franchise D man NOT EVEN PLAYING, then go back to 2006 for the Hurricanes winning with incredible center depth and a "No-name" D
Going back, you will nearly ALWAYS find both, but occasionally you will find a suspect defense with center depth winning the cup, but NEVER the reverse,
So again, You CAN win a cup with no franchise/#1 D you CANNOT win the cup and not be stacked at center, the players who touch the puck the most and make the important plays on any team are the top two centers and the top minute/situation guy on D, and I think that''s the order of importance 1. #1 center 2. #2 Center 3. Top minute D man,
Remeber, the center is back there with the defenseman, trying to get the puck back and is just as likely to make the outlet pass himself as to hand it off and jump into the breakout. for a lot of teams, if the center regains possession one of the D is just as likely to be part of the breakout,
Defense has been SO HYPED in the media over the last decade people forget to think for themselves and judge what it is they actually see, I'm trying to think of what defenseman led his team to the cup recently and I'm drawing a blank, I can list as many centers as there are winners.
Strange that this isn't exclusive info, everyone has watched the same games I have, but when the media starts saying "THIS is the way it is" people just tend to forget what they've seen with their own eyes and parrot what the T.V talking heads say,
It's kind of disturbing, in a way that has nothing to do with hockey, I wish people would be more honest with themselves and really ask themselves "Are my opinions my own? Does this jive with what I've actually seen/experiences or have I been so conditioned to defer to "experts" that I automatically adopt their opinions?
I mean, what evidence is there that a defenseman is the first and primary building block above and beyond centers? I don't think there is any, Karllsons charge to the quarterfinals last year wasn't enough, and prior to that, thinking back, I have to go all the way back to Brian Leetch, although with Mike Richter, he who shall not be named and all the others on that 94' Rangers squad, it's tough to give too much credit to one guy.
Other than that, do we have to go back to Bobby Orr? Ray Bourque couldn't do it, not when he was THE MAN on HIS TEAM, Paul Coffey was ALWAYS behind hall of fame center depth, Chelios couldn't do it till he was behind Yzerman and Federov.
Just look at the finals last year, you have a team with 4 #1 Defensemen taking on a team with a "No name D" and rock solid at center...
What happened? The centers won
Actually, I take it back this is NOT a matter of opinion, ALL THE EVIDENCE points right to center ice as the position to lock down if you want to build a champion, Defense doesn't even come close,
Hell, even Bobby Orr only won cups with hall of fame centers,
Nope sorry, all those parroting the "Defense is everything" slogan, the facts just aren't there to back it up.
Anyone have what it takes to prove me wrong? I'll change my mind in the face of a superior argument, this isn't about ego, I don't need to be right, but I'm not going to lie about what is right in front of my face either, but again, if you can make a better contrary argument then I'm all ears...
If you can't you might want to ask yourself: "why?"
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You do make some excellent points, but I still think a franchise D is just as important as a franchise C. If a franchise Center is more important than a franchise defenseman, it’s by a hair.
Your example of 2006 Carolina is a good one, but I’d also argue that the 1995 New Jersey Devils we’re without a true franchise Center......and yet had a Franchise defenseman in Scott Niedermayer.
1) Franchise Center
1A) Franchise defenseman
3) Goaltender
4) 2nd line C
5)Solid defenseman that can compliment your ‘alpha’ franchise defenseman to form a possible top pairing in the league (or be considered among one of the top pairings).
6) first line winger
7) another first line winger
8) 2nd pairing D
9 2nd pairing D
10) 2nd line winger
11) 2nd line winger
12) 3rd line C
13) back-up goalie
14) 3rd line winger
15) 3rd line winger
16) 3rd pairing D
17) 3rd pairing D
18) 4th line C
19) 4th line winger
20) 4th line winger
That’s how I would personally rank the above, but that’s just me. Many people would strongly disagree with me on #6 however. Some people would put a first line winger at #3.
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Man, I don’t want either of those guys. I think Tkachuk will probably top out as a 2nd/3rd line tweener who takes a lot of penalties... and I think Hughes either busts or ends up being a shrimpy PP specialist. The kind of guy Jordan Subban projected to be.
Boqvist, Dobson, Bouchard or Wahlstrom, and I’ll be fine with this draft.
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I just think it's hilarious how a lot of people were so sure that the Canucks would pick first - to say otherwise was implied you were negative or a bad fan. And they were sure of this mainly because the canucks had won more games at the end of the season, thus decreasing their odds. But people were still sure.
Now it's "oh well 7th had the best odds so I'm not surprised we are picking there".
It's a wonder why people were frustrated at seeing the Canucks put in more effort/have more success to close out the season then seemingly at any point previous.
It's almost as if the Canucks would have had a better chance, at a better pick if they actually had better odds going into the draft? Boy, who could have seen this coming? I am sure though that when the canucks select this 7th pick - the amount of morale it will generate amongst the veterans will send the Canucks straight into the playoffs next year.
No Dahlin to save this management lol. No Sedins to "feel good" about. Just hope that a few, massively overachieving, prospects continue to play through their absolute ears and not regress at all lol. (Won't that be even harder with no Sedins for secondary scoring etc?)
Now is when positivity is needed the most - not before the draft to generate false hope at a 1st overall pick lol.
Now it's "oh well 7th had the best odds so I'm not surprised we are picking there".
It's a wonder why people were frustrated at seeing the Canucks put in more effort/have more success to close out the season then seemingly at any point previous.
It's almost as if the Canucks would have had a better chance, at a better pick if they actually had better odds going into the draft? Boy, who could have seen this coming? I am sure though that when the canucks select this 7th pick - the amount of morale it will generate amongst the veterans will send the Canucks straight into the playoffs next year.
No Dahlin to save this management lol. No Sedins to "feel good" about. Just hope that a few, massively overachieving, prospects continue to play through their absolute ears and not regress at all lol. (Won't that be even harder with no Sedins for secondary scoring etc?)
Now is when positivity is needed the most - not before the draft to generate false hope at a 1st overall pick lol.
Since you said “or player,” isn’t this exactly what he did in taking Jake Virtanen over smaller, better players?
Or does he get a pass because he didnt take an even bigger player in Nick Ritchie..
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why? what happened, keith cut in front of them at the buffet line on a bc ferry?
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Juolevi was the biggest between him, Sergachev and McAvoy. Two are in the NHL, one isn't.
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