Winnipeg Jets Top 20 Prospects 2017 - #7

[Romang67]

The Vote was bought and paid for by his dad. His dad ( billionaire) used undue pressure on Hf Jet board moderators as well as bought the last few deciding votes.

I am keeping Commrie at 10-12 on my Jet prospect list.

I'm sure I don't know what you mean.

 

[lanky]

Harkins and Spacek both led their teams in scoring by a decent margin, except Spacek was 1.44 pts/gm vs Harkins' 1.13. When you factor in Spacek's plus skating and Harkins' below average skating then the space cadet looks like the clear winner to me.

 

[Maukkis]

Spacek > Harkins > Sam Berg.

 

[Daximus]

Dax, you shouldve voted Comrie after all, it wasn't a waste! lol
Spacek

haha well what the heck. That was a come from behind win if I've ever seen one.

 

[garret9]

Garret's List + Garret's PCS%

1 Connor 67.4% ...voted 1st
2 Roslovic 58.0% ...voted 2nd
3 Vesalainen 55.6% ...voted 3rd
4 Samberg 8.9%
5 Niku 20.0% ...voted 4th
6 Poolman 20.0% ...voted 5th
7 Spacek 21.0%
8 Kovacevic 20.2%
9 Comrie NA ...voted 6th
10 Lemieux 22.3%
11 Foley 18.6%
12 Virtanen 17.7%
13 Gawanke 16.5%
14 DeLeo 21.1%
15 Appleton 14.4%
16 Harkins 12.3%
17 Green 10.3%
18 Stanley 8.3%
19 Berdin NA
20 Nogier 22.1%
21 McKenzie 13.1%
22 Evingson NA
23 Lipon 12.9%
24 Lodge 13.5%
25 Franklin 2.7%
26 Cederholm 7.7%
27 Kraskovsky 7.4%
28 Stallard 10.0%
29 Glover 2.0%

Still voting for Samberg.

Samberg played in the USHS, which doesn't model well for my system. The USHS is actually multiple different leagues and tiers, but the system treats it all as one, which causes cohorts to be all over the place. He is a player going to the NCAA next year that should post an excellent %s when he does.

He has great tools. He has size, skates well, and puck skills. The biggest thing to me is his hockey mind in being able to anticipate the play. This is what separates him from "size and can skate" like a Cederholm, Nogier, or Stanley. This allows him to retrieve pucks more efficiently, move them out, and join the rush to add offense. He has instincts giving him a far higher upside than any of our defensive prospects.

The one deficiency is that he is hella raw, from playing predominately in the USHS system. I suspect his freshman season should be decent but he'll really explode in his sophomore year.

He also has one hell of a shot. I see Samberg as being the best non-blue chip defender we've ever had at this age. He's no Morrissey or Trouba, but he's the next best thing. A tier in upside above Niku or Poolman. Younger, so his floor is lower too but that upside.

I'm voting for a potential #3 defender before I go for potential 3rd liners like Spacek or Harkins.

 

[Daximus]

Harkins and Spacek both led their teams in scoring by a decent margin, except Spacek was 1.44 pts/gm vs Harkins' 1.13. When you factor in Spacek's plus skating and Harkins' below average skating then the space cadet looks like the clear winner to me.

Yeah Harkins has the better two-way game but Spacek is the better skater, stickhandler and passer.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Voter fraud! Complelety rigged vote by Crooked Romang! Sad!

Anonymous sources have told me leafs nation was behind the voter fraud as a way to undermine jets hfboards.

 

[Daximus]

Garret's List + Garret's PCS%

1 Connor 67.4% ...voted 1st
2 Roslovic 58.0% ...voted 2nd
3 Vesalainen 55.6% ...voted 3rd
4 Samberg 8.9%
5 Niku 20.0% ...voted 4th
6 Poolman 20.0% ...voted 5th
7 Spacek 21.0%
8 Kovacevic 20.2%
9 Comrie NA ...voted 6th
10 Lemieux 22.3%
11 Foley 18.6%
12 Virtanen 17.7%
13 Gawanke 16.5%
14 DeLeo 21.1%
15 Appleton 14.4%
16 Harkins 12.3%
17 Green 10.3%
18 Stanley 8.3%
19 Berdin NA
20 Nogier 22.1%
21 McKenzie 13.1%
22 Evingson NA
23 Lipon 12.9%
24 Lodge 13.5%
25 Franklin 2.7%
26 Cederholm 7.7%
27 Kraskovsky 7.4%
28 Stallard 10.0%
29 Glover 2.0%

Still voting for Samberg.

Samberg played in the USHS, which doesn't model well for my system. The USHS is actually multiple different leagues and tiers, but the system treats it all as one, which causes cohorts to be all over the place. He is a player going to the NCAA next year that should post an excellent %s when he does.

He has great tools. He has size, skates well, and puck skills. The biggest thing to me is his hockey mind in being able to anticipate the play. This is what separates him from "size and can skate" like a Cederholm, Nogier, or Stanley. This allows him to retrieve pucks more efficiently, move them out, and join the rush to add offense. He has instincts giving him a far higher upside than any of our defensive prospects.

The one deficiency is that he is hella raw, from playing predominately in the USHS system. I suspect his freshman season should be decent but he'll really explode in his sophomore year.

He also has one hell of a shot. I see Samberg as being the best non-blue chip defender we've ever had at this age. He's no Morrissey or Trouba, but he's the next best thing. A tier in upside above Niku or Poolman. Younger, so his floor is lower too but that upside.

I'm voting for a potential #3 defender before I go for potential 3rd liners like Spacek or Harkins.

I think what it comes down to with Samberg for most on here is he is an unknown. Very few have seen him play and those that have are still cautious due to level of competition.

 

[Romang67]

It's funny, cause I have Samberg over Poolman, Comrie, and Spacek. I just like Harkins.

 

[garret9]

It's funny, cause I have Samberg over Poolman, Comrie, and Spacek. I just like Harkins.

I just don't see much possibility for Harkins to be anything more than what we already get with Lowry or Copp.

He may be a bit different than them, but the overall impact as a realistic best case scenario is not much different.

 

[lanky]

I just don't see much possibility for Harkins to be anything more than what we already get with Lowry or Copp.

He may be a bit different than them, but the overall impact as a realistic best case scenario is not much different.

I'll be very happy if he develops that far.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Harkins was rated by most as a mid 1 st round selection in a very strong 2015 draft. His 2 way game is praised highly. I SEE Harkins as very similar to Copp. The Jets have tried Copp in a top 6 role to try and find his offensive gamw at the NHL level.

If Harkins can be Copp ++ ...... we should all be happy with the result.

EDIT....OH ya ....Harkins got robbed in prospect #6 vote....

 

[garret9]

Harkins was rated by most as a mid 1 st round selection in a very strong 2015 draft. His 2 way game is praised highly. I SEE Harkins as very similar to Copp. The Jets have tried Copp in a top 6 role to try and find his offensive gamw at the NHL level.

If Harkins can be Copp ++ ...... we should all be happy with the result.

He was ranked by most as a late 1st round selection by third party draft sites, but fell to 2nd round by actual NHL teams.*
And it should be noted that late first rounds to early second rounders are misses, let alone more likely to be bottom-six than top-six.

They tried Copp in top-six role because they had injuries a plenty.

I just don't see Harkins upside being anything special enough to put him above Samberg. A #3 defender has a much greater impact on the game than a 3rd line forward. That's both of their realistic upsides.

 

[ps241]

I believe Samberg will be in our top 4 one day and love his ceiling. That being said we are at that point now where its more fun due to the varied opinions.

 

[puck stoppa]

He was ranked by most as a late 1st round selection by third party draft sites, but fell to 2nd round by actual NHL teams.*
And it should be noted that late first rounds to early second rounders are misses, let alone more likely to be bottom-six than top-six.

They tried Copp in top-six role because they had injuries a plenty.

I just don't see Harkins upside being anything special enough to put him above Samberg. A #3 defender has a much greater impact on the game than a 3rd line forward. That's both of their realistic upsides.

By number three defender you mean Stanley

 

[garret9]

By number three defender you mean Stanley

I believe Stanley was actually treated as a #4 on the Spitfires.

 

[KingBogo]

Garret's List + Garret's PCS%

1 Connor 67.4% ...voted 1st
2 Roslovic 58.0% ...voted 2nd
3 Vesalainen 55.6% ...voted 3rd
4 Samberg 8.9%
5 Niku 20.0% ...voted 4th
6 Poolman 20.0% ...voted 5th
7 Spacek 21.0%
8 Kovacevic 20.2%
9 Comrie NA ...voted 6th
10 Lemieux 22.3%
11 Foley 18.6%
12 Virtanen 17.7%
13 Gawanke 16.5%
14 DeLeo 21.1%
15 Appleton 14.4%
16 Harkins 12.3%
17 Green 10.3%
18 Stanley 8.3%
19 Berdin NA
20 Nogier 22.1%
21 McKenzie 13.1%
22 Evingson NA
23 Lipon 12.9%
24 Lodge 13.5%
25 Franklin 2.7%
26 Cederholm 7.7%
27 Kraskovsky 7.4%
28 Stallard 10.0%
29 Glover 2.0%

Still voting for Samberg.

Samberg played in the USHS, which doesn't model well for my system. The USHS is actually multiple different leagues and tiers, but the system treats it all as one, which causes cohorts to be all over the place. He is a player going to the NCAA next year that should post an excellent %s when he does.

He has great tools. He has size, skates well, and puck skills. The biggest thing to me is his hockey mind in being able to anticipate the play. This is what separates him from "size and can skate" like a Cederholm, Nogier, or Stanley. This allows him to retrieve pucks more efficiently, move them out, and join the rush to add offense. He has instincts giving him a far higher upside than any of our defensive prospects.

The one deficiency is that he is hella raw, from playing predominately in the USHS system. I suspect his freshman season should be decent but he'll really explode in his sophomore year.

He also has one hell of a shot. I see Samberg as being the best non-blue chip defender we've ever had at this age. He's no Morrissey or Trouba, but he's the next best thing. A tier in upside above Niku or Poolman. Younger, so his floor is lower too but that upside.

I'm voting for a potential #3 defender before I go for potential 3rd liners like Spacek or Harkins.

Agree with all your reasoning and again voted Samberg.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

He was ranked by most as a late 1st round selection by third party draft sites, but fell to 2nd round by actual NHL teams.*
And it should be noted that late first rounds to early second rounders are misses, let alone more likely to be bottom-six than top-six.

They tried Copp in top-six role because they had injuries a plenty.

I just don't see Harkins upside being anything special enough to put him above Samberg. A #3 defender has a much greater impact on the game than a 3rd line forward. That's both of their realistic upsides.

Surprise - Surprise-surprise..... we have differing opinions on Harkins. Time will tell.

I have high hopes for Samberg as well but a more cautious wait and see attitude. A lot of people had a recency bias a few years ago regarding Glover ( Glover lovers ).

I am going to say the same thing now as I did then when people on these boards talked him up to go ahead of Copp.

"HE only got drafted by us 1 month ago and has not played against quality com7petition. Copp (Harkins A.H.L) have been playing against men. LET'S wait and see how he handles college b4 gifting him a top 10 Jet prospect ranking. If he does well we can increase his ranking next year.

Let's hope he turns into Paryko (St Louis) ...... let's not gift to him just due our desire to have a blue chip fed. Prospect.

 

[Jets4Life]

Harkins

Add: Appleton

 

[Jets4Life]

Garret's List + Garret's PCS%

1 Connor 67.4% ...voted 1st
2 Roslovic 58.0% ...voted 2nd
3 Vesalainen 55.6% ...voted 3rd
4 Samberg 8.9%
5 Niku 20.0% ...voted 4th
6 Poolman 20.0% ...voted 5th
7 Spacek 21.0%
8 Kovacevic 20.2%
9 Comrie NA ...voted 6th
10 Lemieux 22.3%
11 Foley 18.6%
12 Virtanen 17.7%
13 Gawanke 16.5%
14 DeLeo 21.1%
15 Appleton 14.4%
16 Harkins 12.3%
17 Green 10.3%
18 Stanley 8.3%
19 Berdin NA
20 Nogier 22.1%
21 McKenzie 13.1%
22 Evingson NA
23 Lipon 12.9%
24 Lodge 13.5%
25 Franklin 2.7%
26 Cederholm 7.7%
27 Kraskovsky 7.4%
28 Stallard 10.0%
29 Glover 2.0%

Still voting for Samberg.

Samberg played in the USHS, which doesn't model well for my system. The USHS is actually multiple different leagues and tiers, but the system treats it all as one, which causes cohorts to be all over the place. He is a player going to the NCAA next year that should post an excellent %s when he does.

He has great tools. He has size, skates well, and puck skills. The biggest thing to me is his hockey mind in being able to anticipate the play. This is what separates him from "size and can skate" like a Cederholm, Nogier, or Stanley. This allows him to retrieve pucks more efficiently, move them out, and join the rush to add offense. He has instincts giving him a far higher upside than any of our defensive prospects.

The one deficiency is that he is hella raw, from playing predominately in the USHS system. I suspect his freshman season should be decent but he'll really explode in his sophomore year.

He also has one hell of a shot. I see Samberg as being the best non-blue chip defender we've ever had at this age. He's no Morrissey or Trouba, but he's the next best thing. A tier in upside above Niku or Poolman. Younger, so his floor is lower too but that upside.

I'm voting for a potential #3 defender before I go for potential 3rd liners like Spacek or Harkins.

Do you have a hockey website? I would love to read further on how you reached your consensus on the Jets draft picks.

 

[garret9]

Do you have a hockey website? I would love to read further on how you reached your consensus on the Jets draft picks.

I used to run JetsNations.ca, but no longer.
I used to run Hockey-Graphs.com, but now am just a board member.
I run HockeyData.com, but we are a paid service that works for teams, agents, and players.

 

[Whileee]

Garret's List + Garret's PCS%

1 Connor 67.4% ...voted 1st
2 Roslovic 58.0% ...voted 2nd
3 Vesalainen 55.6% ...voted 3rd
4 Samberg 8.9%
5 Niku 20.0% ...voted 4th
6 Poolman 20.0% ...voted 5th
7 Spacek 21.0%
8 Kovacevic 20.2%
9 Comrie NA ...voted 6th
10 Lemieux 22.3%
11 Foley 18.6%
12 Virtanen 17.7%
13 Gawanke 16.5%
14 DeLeo 21.1%
15 Appleton 14.4%
16 Harkins 12.3%
17 Green 10.3%
18 Stanley 8.3%
19 Berdin NA
20 Nogier 22.1%
21 McKenzie 13.1%
22 Evingson NA
23 Lipon 12.9%
24 Lodge 13.5%
25 Franklin 2.7%
26 Cederholm 7.7%
27 Kraskovsky 7.4%
28 Stallard 10.0%
29 Glover 2.0%

Still voting for Samberg.

Samberg played in the USHS, which doesn't model well for my system. The USHS is actually multiple different leagues and tiers, but the system treats it all as one, which causes cohorts to be all over the place. He is a player going to the NCAA next year that should post an excellent %s when he does.

He has great tools. He has size, skates well, and puck skills. The biggest thing to me is his hockey mind in being able to anticipate the play. This is what separates him from "size and can skate" like a Cederholm, Nogier, or Stanley. This allows him to retrieve pucks more efficiently, move them out, and join the rush to add offense. He has instincts giving him a far higher upside than any of our defensive prospects.

The one deficiency is that he is hella raw, from playing predominately in the USHS system. I suspect his freshman season should be decent but he'll really explode in his sophomore year.

He also has one hell of a shot. I see Samberg as being the best non-blue chip defender we've ever had at this age. He's no Morrissey or Trouba, but he's the next best thing. A tier in upside above Niku or Poolman. Younger, so his floor is lower too but that upside.

I'm voting for a potential #3 defender before I go for potential 3rd liners like Spacek or Harkins.

Agree with all of the above.

I actually like how the Jets D pipeline looks compared to last year.

Looking at the next 3-5 years...

RHD

Trouba #1
Buff #1/2
Myers #2/3
Poolman #3
Kovacevic #3?

LHD

Morrissey #1
Enstrom #2/3
Kulikov #2/3
Samberg #2/3
Niku #3
Stanley #3/4

(Edit: the numbers refer to pairing number... #2 = second pairing, etc.)

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He was ranked by most as a late 1st round selection by third party draft sites, but fell to 2nd round by actual NHL teams.*
And it should be noted that late first rounds to early second rounders are misses, let alone more likely to be bottom-six than top-six.

They tried Copp in top-six role because they had injuries a plenty.

I just don't see Harkins upside being anything special enough to put him above Samberg. A #3 defender has a much greater impact on the game than a 3rd line forward. That's both of their realistic upsides.

You are ignoring probabilities, as usual.

Samberg may have a higher ceiling but he has a lower probability of reaching it, IMO. Or more properly stated, a less proven probability of reaching it. Estimation of Samberg's rating subject to major revision following a season in NCAA.

I hope that Harkins can become a better 3C than Lowry. Similar defensive impact with more 5v5 offense. If he achieves that he will be pretty impactful.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Samberg has committed to UMD for fall 2018, correct? I'm going off Elite Prospects, where he's listed with Waterloo (USHL) for next season.

 

[Romang67]

Samberg has committed to UMD for fall 2018, correct? I'm going off Elite Prospects, where he's listed with Waterloo (USHL) for next season.

Yessir.

http://www.umdbulldogs.com/news/201...mberg-signs-on-with-bulldogs-for-2017-18.aspx