Proposal: Winnipeg/Detriot

[10Ducky10]

Trouba for Zadina and Rasmussen.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Only people who think that are those ignorant on Detroit's prospects. Ras and Hronek are going to be studs in the NHL soon.

I really don’t see it with Rasmussen though he could prove me wrong. Hronek gonna be a good 2nd pair d imo.

 

[TS Quint]

Doesn't matter about Bryan Little any ways he has a NMC and no way he's going to waive it for Detroit. And with Z and Larkin and Nielsen we don't need Little.

They have Z? Is that looking 100% true at this point? Will he be back the year after? For a million bucks? I wouldn’t hold your breath.

 

[TS Quint]

I hate to keep comparing him to Vilardi because it’s become solid comedy at this point, but people act like they’re leagues apart when they just had pretty similar seasons.

Rasmussen needs to prove he’s not JVR Light as a pro. I think the back half of his season and playoffs were encouraging. The Wings overvalued him at the draft and one year later it still looks that way. But he’s 19 and 6’6, his coordination should still be improving as well as the rest of his game. I’m not writing him off.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Horrible and senseless for Detroit.

Exactly, No point of doing this when we can sign him for free on July 1st 2020.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba for Zadina and Rasmussen.

Yeah No Since when is Trouba worth 2 #1 picks? Like i said if he truly wants to come home to Detroit. We'll just sign him for free on July 1st 2020.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Rasmussen needs to prove he’s not JVR Light as a pro. I think the back half of his season and playoffs were encouraging. The Wings overvalued him at the draft and one year later it still looks that way. But he’s 19 and 6’6, his coordination should still be improving as well as the rest of his game. I’m not writing him off.

And you need to provide evidence that he still appears overvalued. Because nobody in the discussion as a potential top 10 selection, drafted behind Rasmussen, had a markedly better D+1 season than Rasmussen. The only "argument" you will make will boil down to your personal preference, and that just isn't going to hold any water.

As for this trade, it's really just scatterbrained and doesn't do a good job of considering a number of variables that would lead to a deal getting done. State of the teams, the salary cap, the contract clauses, the feasibility of a trade of this magnitude.

Detroit would love to get Trouba, and Dekeyser is expendable, but flipping a 19 year old center prospect that projects to be a middle 6 center/winger, with an outside chance of a role as a top 6 winger, for a 30 year old center, signed for 6 more years at a high AAV (and would be competing for a 3rd line center role with high AAV, veteran Nielsen) makes no sense. Swapping Hronek for Stanley makes no sense based on their progression. Hronek's D+1 outright embarrassed Stanley's D+1 by a large margin; in his D+2, Hronek moved up and looked more than promising in the AHL while Stanley couldn't meet the performance level of Hronek's D+1.

As a team that needs all the help for the future as possible, I would imagine the Wings take the future middle 6 forward and the better NHL defense prospect over the costly veteran middle 6 forward and the lesser NHL defense, despite the upgrade from DK to Trouba. When Trouba hits UFA status, Detroit will have a lot of money to play with, and hopefully they make it work in that fashion instead of having to trade down value (value to Detroit) at other positions..

 

[TS Quint]

And you need to provide evidence that he still appears overvalued. Because nobody in the discussion as a potential top 10 selection, drafted behind Rasmussen, had a markedly better D+1 season than Rasmussen. The only "argument" you will make will boil down to your personal preference, and that just isn't going to hold any water.

As for this trade, it's really just scatterbrained and doesn't do a good job of considering a number of variables that would lead to a deal getting done. State of the teams, the salary cap, the contract clauses, the feasibility of a trade of this magnitude.

Detroit would love to get Trouba, and Dekeyser is expendable, but flipping a 19 year old center prospect that projects to be a middle 6 center/winger, with an outside chance of a role as a top 6 winger, for a 30 year old center, signed for 6 more years at a high AAV (and would be competing for a 3rd line center role with high AAV, veteran Nielsen) makes no sense. Swapping Hronek for Stanley makes no sense based on their progression. Hronek's D+1 outright embarrassed Stanley's D+1 by a large margin; in his D+2, Hronek moved up and looked more than promising in the AHL while Stanley couldn't meet the performance level of Hronek's D+1.

As a team that needs all the help for the future as possible, I would imagine the Wings take the future middle 6 forward and the better NHL defense prospect over the costly veteran middle 6 forward and the lesser NHL defense, despite the upgrade from DK to Trouba. When Trouba hits UFA status, Detroit will have a lot of money to play with, and hopefully they make it work in that fashion instead of having to trade down value (value to Detroit) at other positions..

You put Rass #1 on this list?

Tippett
Vilardi
Necas
Suzuki
Brannstrom
Chytil
Valimaki
Thomas
Tolvanen

I don’t think the Wings should make this trade for where the organization is at the moment. The cupboards are pretty bare at this point. I don’t think the Wings have a position of strength to trade from so they are just digging one hole to fill another. At some point they have to fill the top pair D roles. Maybe they lucked out with some of these 2nd rounders from the past couple years but they have a long way to go.

 

[Hen Kolland]

You put Rass #1 on this list?

Tippett
Vilardi
Necas
Suzuki
Brannstrom
Chytil
Valimaki
Thomas
Tolvanen

I don’t think the Wings should make this trade for where the organization is at the moment. The cupboards are pretty bare at this point. I don’t think the Wings have a position of strength to trade from so they are just digging one hole to fill another. At some point they have to fill the top pair D roles. Maybe they lucked out with some of these 2nd rounders from the past couple years but they have a long way to go.

I see you ignored the point where I mentioned only people that were in the conversation as top 10 picks. DeBrincat looks great from the 2016 draft, but just because he has exceeded expectations doesn't mean he was ever in the discussion to go top 10. Surprises happen. That's why re-drafts are so GD pointless.

Whether I have Rasmussen above Vilardi and Necas, or below them, or in between, or at the bottom of your list, none of it matters. That's my point, opinions that you and I share, or don't share, mean literally absolutely nothing. It's just personal preference.

In attempt to not derail this thread, if you want to discuss this, take it to Rasmussen's prospect thread. There are plenty of people who would love to talk about why Ras is an inferior prospect compared to all the other names from the 2017 draft.

 

[TS Quint]

I see you ignored the point where I mentioned only people that were in the conversation as top 10 picks. DeBrincat looks great from the 2016 draft, but just because he has exceeded expectations doesn't mean he was ever in the discussion to go top 10. Surprises happen. That's why re-drafts are so GD pointless.

Whether I have Rasmussen above Vilardi and Necas, or below them, or in between, or at the bottom of your list, none of it matters. That's my point, opinions that you and I share, or don't share, mean literally absolutely nothing. It's just personal preference.

In attempt to not derail this thread, if you want to discuss this, take it to Rasmussen's prospect thread. There are plenty of people who would love to talk about why Ras is an inferior prospect compared to all the other names from the 2017 draft.

You are replying to my point which was Rass was overvalued at the draft by the Wings and it still appears that way now. If you want to talk about something else why are your replying to me if you don’t disagree? If you would like to actually read my posts you will also see that I’m not calling him trash and I think there isn’t potential to be a good player. I’m not sure what your point is here.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Trouba for Zadina and Rasmussen.

God I hope you're trolling.

 

[72hockey guy]

God I hope you're trolling.

agreed, Trouba is 2 years away from free agency, Zadina is on a cos controlled ELC and is 7 years from free agency. Trouba while good has nowhere near this value,

this proposal is insane

detroit would be well served to wait two years and sign him then

 

[Dotter]

I really don’t see it with Rasmussen though he could prove me wrong. Hronek gonna be a good 2nd pair d imo.

I'm the opposite, watching him play games (even games against pro NHLers during preseason) made me much more confident in his ceiling. He's not just a big tower playing against small children, I've seen him perform against real NHLers fighting for jobs, and stars that were only trying to shake the rust off, he still matched up against those men -- and was often the best player on the ice. You'll see. I am confident he'll have an NHL job this season and will prove nay-sayers wrong.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I'm the opposite, watching him play games (even games against pro NHLers during preseason) made me much more confident in his ceiling. He's not just a big tower playing against small children, I've seen him perform against real NHLers fighting for jobs, and stars that were only trying to shake the rust off, he still matched up against those men -- and was often the best player on the ice. You'll see. I am confident he'll have an NHL job this season and will prove nay-sayers wrong.

I definitely think he can make the NHL this year but I see his ceiling as a middle 6er. Like a Nick Bjugstad.

 

[LarKing]

I definitely think he can make the NHL this year but I see his ceiling as a middle 6er. Like a Nick Bjugstad.

Do you have a reason for believing this or are you just following the crowd that hates Rasmussen? Serious question

 

[Critical13]

Rasmussen is awesome, not sure why he gets a bad rap around here. Looks like he could be a first line player.

 

[lucaseider]

33 points in 14 playoff games, you know, when games count, and people are calling Ras. a bust and over rated? Never change HF.

 

[LarKing]

33 points in 14 playoff games, you know, when games count, and people are calling Ras. a bust and over rated? Never change HF.

His shooting percentage was ridiculously unsustainable but if you look at his whole season of work he had a great year.

 

[Larkin1578]

Trouba for Zadina and Rasmussen.

Please stop posting.

 

[72hockey guy]

Please stop posting.

unfortunately jets fans are in denial about Troubas situation , he has a destination in mind that isnt winnipeg and no one is going to pay what they want for him because hes made his intentions clear. their best bet is to let him make his own deal and then let the 2 teams negotiate a trade

 

[Martinez]

Doesn’t make sense for either team

 

[RantanenRavin]

How is a 20 year old d-man coming out of junior with his best season ever considered a bust?

Is it his 16 points in 19 playoff games? Is that it?

Must be..

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Do you have a reason for believing this or are you just following the crowd that hates Rasmussen? Serious question

its just what ive seen in my (admittedly limited) viewings of him, I could be wrong