Will we ever have lone superstar after McDavid?

[Number8]

Wayyyy to much recency bias in this thread.

Absolutely. This whole thread is hard to wrap your head around. Kind of nonsensical, actually.

 

[Bedards Dad]

Connor McDavid is this generations Wayne Gretzky.

Not even in the same galaxy.

 

[Number8]

Can someone explain what a “lone superstar” is supposed to mean in this thread. Honest question.

 

[abo9]

Someone with better physical abilities? This kids (or adult!!) might already exist but can't (could not) afford to play hockey.

As far as hockey player goes, Gretzky and Lemieux are the clear benchmark and no one has come close since

 

[kings11]

Mcdavid is 22, when kucherov was 22 his best season was under 70 points, Mcdavid hasn’t even played a season in his prime yet and you are talking about best seasons lol.

I also disagree that just because kucherov had a few more points playing with Stamkos, Point, Hedman , Johnson on the power play compared to Draisaitl, Caggiula, Klefbomb and Larsson that he had a better season.

Technically speaking, NHL players peak around 25YO.. Its rare for even the best ever to have had the success they acheived from 18-25YO from a production stand point

 

[Hattrickkane88]

Technically speaking, NHL players peak around 25YO.. Its rare for even the best ever to have had the success they acheived from 18-25YO from a production stand point

yeah that was kinda my point, thanks for letting me know you understood me.

 

[bobbyking]

Connor McDavid is this generations Wayne Gretzky.

He'll need to have a higher season total then kucherov firstly and get at least a few 130 point seasons

 

[DanM]

Eichel isn’t in the same tier as McDavid for natural talent, speed and how he thinks the game. MacKinnon is the smartest offensive player in the game. He’s developed into a truly special player a monster on the puck. Matthews is at the moment a one trick pony but his scoring is truly elite. Matthews usually rolls with Nylander, Kapanen, etc but not Tavares or Marner so the linemate comment doesn’t fit.

you can reasonably argue Eichel over Matthews but they are the same tier. No chance anyone could put together a valid argument that Eichel > McDavid or MacKinnon

Nope to the bolded

He had almost 40 assists in 67 games or something last year, he would have had close to 60 for sure over a healthy 82. He is nothing like a 1 trick pony lol I love Eichel, but they are not the same player.

But I do agree that McDavid is a wonderful player, truly the best right now. I love watching him play.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

McDavid isn’t head and shoulders above Kucherov and he doesn’t have the playoff success to be head and shoulders above Kane, Crosby, Ovi, etc

Team success is beyond McDavid's control and has zero bearing on his individual skill assessment. Nice try though.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Nope to the bolded

He had almost 40 assists in 67 games or something last year, he would have had close to 60 for sure over a healthy 82. He is nothing like a 1 trick pony lol I love Eichel, but they are not the same player.

But I do agree that McDavid is a wonderful player, truly the best right now. I love watching him play.

by scoring I meant offensive game, but yes I also see him as more of a goal scorer

 

[Sempiternal]

He'll need to have a higher season total then kucherov firstly and get at least a few 130 point seasons

He is a far superior player than everyone in the league including Kucherov.

 

[Future GOAT]

If inner city kids grew up playing hockey instead of basketball and football, McDavid would be like the 10th best player in the league.

0/10

You just phoned it in there...

 

[ccman68]

Mcdavid 1.3 ppg on pace 5th all time
kucherov 1.0 ppg not even on pace for 50th all time.

Mcdavid art ross 50% of his career, only other player to do this is Gretzky.
kucherov 16% of his career.

Mcdavid age 22 ppg seasons 4.
kucherov age 26 ppg seasons 3.

Mcdavid 100% of his seasons have been above ppg.
kucherov 50% of his seasons have been under ppg.

All you have proven is that Kucherov was a late bloomer. Mcdavid is obviously the better player but these stats are absolutely meaningless.

 

[Future GOAT]

In today's league it's not possible to dominate like Gretzky and Lemieux did vs their peers anymore. Nowadays consistency is the name of the game. The new domination will turn out to be consistency over peers. The skill level of players is just a lot higher and closer now across the board.

 

[Hattrickkane88]

All you have proven is that Kucherov was a late bloomer. Mcdavid is obviously the better player but these stats are absolutely meaningless.

Late bloomer or not good enough to produce when not playing on a stacked team? We can't tell for sure but evidence points to him needing top line mates and team to produce as those are the only seasons he's sniffed ppg stats.

The stats are also not meaningless, they are very clear to everyone but a few Tampa fans with their heads deep in the sand.

 

[bobbyking]

In today's league it's not possible to dominate like Gretzky and Lemieux did vs their peers anymore. Nowadays consistency is the name of the game. The new domination will turn out to be consistency over peers. The skill level of players is just a lot higher and closer now across the board.

Then explain why Mario destroyed jagr in art ross races. Crosby ovi McDavid kcherov malkin at their best would fall into the same result

 

[ccman68]

Late bloomer or not good enough to produce when not playing on a stacked team? We can't tell for sure but evidence points to him needing top line mates and team to produce as those are the only seasons he's sniffed ppg stats.

The stats are also not meaningless, they are very clear to everyone but a few Tampa fans with their heads deep in the sand.

what about the year we missed the playoffs and he was great? Or does that just not fit your agenda so you ignore it?

and yes the stats are meaningless. How about you look at the past 3 or so years so we can compare their current ability? No idea why you want to look at Kucherov’s stats from when he was playing in the bottom six in his rookie year and act like they matter.

 

[bigbabybuda]

Lol the OP cant br of legal drinking age. There are 2 players still playing in the NHL that have superior resumes than McDavid did at the same age and a dozen maybe all time. He hasent even kead the league in goals once yet. He is the best player in the league right now but that's not even by a wide margin. OFC there will be another player as good as McDavid at some point. There are 3 in the next 4 drafts that I think have a small chance of being on his level alone. This thread is crazy.

 

[Hattrickkane88]

what about the year we missed the playoffs and he was great? Or does that just not fit your agenda so you ignore it?

and yes the stats are meaningless. How about you look at the past 3 or so years so we can compare their current ability? No idea why you want to look at Kucherov’s stats from when he was playing in the bottom six in his rookie year and act like they matter.

You call 85 points to miss the playoffs great? I ignored it because its not great,
great was Mcdavid missing with 116 points ( one third more ) but nice try.

only focusing on a few years just isn't how reality works, especially in a game like hockey where even amazing players can struggle. When i'm judging how good a player is i have to take into account how likely it is he could regress and when Mcdavid literally has twice the odds of a ppg season that can't be ignored.

 

[authentic]

No.
He did lead a record setting Team to a President's Trophy. Great season.

He scored 128 points though. Who else besides McDavid would've matched let alone surpassed that on Tampa this past season? Nobody, not even MacKinnon. Even Kane is better than MacKinnon anyway.

 

[Svechhammer]

It wasn't very long ago where people were wondering if the league would have any superstar talent after Crosby and Ovechkin. And it wasn't long before them that people were wondering if the league would have superstar talent after Gretzky and Lemieux.

 

[VanIsle]

There will always be someone better and faster, it is just a matter of time.

 

[kp61c]

Why is he lone? He has no friends among his teammates?

 

[illpucks]

He's 22 years old and already has 377 career points, I think it would be hard to deny he is heads and shoulders above his peers accounting for age and overall team makeup (by comparison Patrick Kane was at the start of his 6th season when he hit 377). I don't see how bringing up team accomplishments is material when he has so much prime hockey left in him and many team problems are out of his control.

He's neck and neck with Draisaitl right now.

 

[Unspecified]

ffs, should we just anoint him a a living Saint already? Perhaps create a holiday?