Yeah, if Letang comes in at a number at or over 6 million dollars, I'd probably look to flip him before I gave him that kind of money. 5.75 would be my max.
And honestly, a lot of my thought process on these numbers hinders on him not being a good PPQB. If you're making 6+ million a year, I think you should be used in every facet of the game, and be damn near elite. You obviously have those albatross contracts that someone will bring up, but you'll have that I guess.
Not a good PPQB?.. 19th in the league last season in power play points for a defenseman.. while only playing 51 games. The 18 guys in front of him average 78 games.
The guy can slow down the game soo well.. Very patient with the puck. Rarely makes the wrong move.
I was talking not about duration, but how much Danger\Tanger will ask.
I meant that they will offer him no more than 6 mln/year.
And I do agree that he has to be offered an 8 year contract.
i would like to see him put together one relatively injury free (complete) season of excellent play.
injuries and periods of horrific d-zone play have prevented him from doing so. also he is kind of an undisciplined spaz.
i question whether he can be the #1 d-man on a cup winning team.
we always say he's a norris contender, but let's see him actually be a finalist.
so basically, the pens should sign him to a reasonable cap hit. he's not nearly as important as crosby/malkin, though.
Yeah, if Letang comes in at a number at or over 6 million dollars, I'd probably look to flip him before I gave him that kind of money. 5.75 would be my max.
And honestly, a lot of my thought process on these numbers hinders on him not being a good PPQB. If you're making 6+ million a year, I think you should be used in every facet of the game, and be damn near elite. You obviously have those albatross contracts that someone will bring up, but you'll have that I guess.
I'm not sure why that would be a factor.
That's well below the pay standard set for UFA defensemen of his calibre. He deserves Suter money.
It would be highway robbery if we got him for 6 mil per. I have no doubt we would offer more than that to retain him.
Weird how people had no problem handing out 7.5 mil per until forever for Suter, who finished well below Letang in Norris voting in 2011 and finished one whole spot ahead of him in 2012 in spite of Letang only playing 51 games.
In fact, Letang is the only active defenseman other than Chara and Weber to finish in the top 10 of Norris voting the last two seasons. How much do they make?
Come on JTG...do you know what other defensemen make?
Care to think of what our blueline would look like without Letang? He's irreplaceable. The very short list of comparable blueliners aren't even remotely available.
You can look at a stat sheet, or you can watch a game. Anyone who watches him on the PP will tell you that he's an average PPQB. The puck should definitely not be going through him.
And I vehemently disagree that he is patient with the puck and rarely makes the wrong move, especially on the powerplay.
Letang isn't a go to guy on the powerplay, and would be better served to play the old Whitney position on the left wall where he can sneak in and out of the play.
We're a cap team... which means every dollar has to be wisely allocated. Florida over spending my a few million on Campbell means nothing. However us overspending on someone by a million on a 8 yr deal has implications on who else we can afford going forward for that duration of that contract.
Really? You're going to compare an average size offensive PMD to Weber or Chara, guys who are the ultimate definition of a #1D, who are absolute monsters? Letangs game isn't even comparable to Suter's game. Suter is more of an all around D, where as Letang is much more offensive.
As for what he should make... I'd be comfortable with anything up to 6m. However if he's asking for more than that, I'd be concerned. And if he is over 6m, his NTC/NMC had better be a limited one.
Come on JTG...do you know what other defensemen make?
Care to think of what our blueline would look like without Letang? He's irreplaceable. The very short list of comparable blueliners aren't even remotely available.
Letang is one of the best d-man in the league. He's also really young for an elite defensmeman. Anyone who thinks he's going to get less than 6 per are kidding themselves.
Letang is the type of player you do everything you can to keep. You just don't let legit #1d-man walk away.
Not saying our blueline wouldn't look like ****. Just because a guy is irreplaceable doesn't mean that we should sign him to a crazy deal.
His worth is 5.75 million, IMO, especially considering that he's getting an extra year here. On the opened market, his value is probably 6.25-6.5 million on a 7 year deal.
Not sure how Letang goes into a negotiation and says, "I want to make more than Karlsson." He can say, "I should make what Campbell or Bouwmeester makes" but we all know those contracts aren't indicative of the market now that the cap is slated to drop by 6 million dollars.
Is Letang a legitimate #1? He isn't this team's go to on the penalty kill, and if we had any semblance of a PPQB, he wouldn't be this team's go to on the powerplay. He's not a PPQB as I've said before.
What he is is a great top pairing defenseman, IMO, who can play in all game situations, but is at his best as a 5-on-5 puck moving defenseman.
A #1 is a guy like Weber, Lidstrom, or Chara. Minute munchers in every single situation, albeit, Lidstrom in his last few years was used less on the PK to keep him fresh.
I'm not saying to lowball the guy, but let's keep in perspective what he actually does. 5.75 over 8 years would put him in the top 15 of the league in salaries for defensemen. He'd be paid as a #1 technically, and honestly, 5.75 is paying the guy for potential still also.
Karlsson made 6.5 mil per as an RFA. J-Bo got his deal when the cap was 56.8 mil, and it was 56.7 for Campbell's.
You should also check how much Weber plays on the PK.
Karlsson made 6.5 mil per as an RFA. J-Bo got his deal when the cap was 56.8 mil, and it was 56.7 for Campbell's.
You should also check how much Weber plays on the PK.
Not saying our blueline wouldn't look like ****. Just because a guy is irreplaceable doesn't mean that we should sign him to a crazy deal.
Is Letang a legitimate #1? He isn't this team's go to on the penalty kill, and if we had any semblance of a PPQB, he wouldn't be this team's go to on the powerplay. He's not a PPQB as I've said before.
What he is is a great top pairing defenseman, IMO, who can play in all game situations, but is at his best as a 5-on-5 puck moving defenseman.
A #1 is a guy like Weber, Lidstrom, or Chara. Minute munchers in every single situation, albeit, Lidstrom in his last few years was used less on the PK to keep him fresh.
I'm not saying to lowball the guy, but let's keep in perspective what he actually does. 5.75 over 8 years would put him in the top 15 of the league in salaries for defensemen. He'd be paid as a #1 technically, and honestly, 5.75 is paying the guy for potential still also.
Letang is not someone you replace. I know we have a plethora of defenders in the making, but a very small group in the NHL play like Letang. I think a guy like Karlsson is slightly below Letang and he got 6.5. That's not a dig at Karlsson, either. The fact Suter got as much as he did... Letang deserves every penny he makes.
We have to be praying he wants to stay in Pittsburgh. If Letang is financially smart, he SHOULD test free agency. I just hope Pittsburgh can do whatever it takes to keep him.
I know you can't keep everyone, but Geno, Sid, Letang, and Neal are guys we need to keep around.