Lee Sharpe
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What are the best choice for league for a New partners? Of course who give the league best offer, but I think what NHL need is National coverage!!
what people think?
what people think?
What are the best choice for league for a New partners? Of course who give the league best offer, but I think what NHL need is National coverage!!
what people think?
so you want hockey players to act like hotdogs like players in the nfl? nba?1) Whatever network agrees to a deal with the NHL will most likely end up getting a bargain deal.
2) Half of this is on the players, half of this is on the owners. The league needs to make the players more available by providing mandatory media availability and diversify the media partners of the league.
The players need to cut the hockey culture and start providing some personality. Stop being robots to the media. Show some personality on ice (goal celebrations etc...). As a kid, I can’t remember the actual goal Pat Kane scored against the Kings in OT but I can remember the celly. Same with Matthews when he signalled goal after he scored... or when Matthews and Kane both went back to back with the “can’t hear you”. This applies to other sports too. I can’t remember the average TD but there are a lot of memorable celebrations. Goals generally aren’t very memorable... but a celly can be.
so you want hockey players to act like hotdogs like players in the nfl? nba?
no thanks...
The thing is though, that those costs are likely insignificant.
The reason they don't get the television deals the other sports do is simply because they don't offer the desired product. Hockey simply doesn't draw in the ratings the other Big 4 leagues get.
You really think the production costs are that much more. As pointed out the salaries alone on NFL broadcasts likely dwarf an NHL broadcast. Do you really think an NHL prime time game costs more to broadcast when CBS is paying Romo close to 1 million a game. Or what TNT pays Shaq and Barkley for TNT?Tell that to the network bosses and their underlings.
So in other words, it's because people don't like hockey. What to do about that? Try to shove it down their throats?
And by the way, most hockey players were introduced to the game by watching it, not the other way around. Don't believe me? Ask Auston Matthews.
They do actually, NHL players show explosive emotion when they score goals, as much as any other sport to be honest.
Watch McDavid or Matthews or Ovechkin react to scoring a huge goal.
You really think the production costs are that much more. As pointed out the salaries alone on NFL broadcasts likely dwarf an NHL broadcast. Do you really think an NHL prime time game costs more to broadcast when CBS is paying Romo close to 1 million a game. Or what TNT pays Shaq and Barkley for TNT?
Matthews is atypical. How about looking at his other highly paid teammates, most who were put in ice as toddlers like Nylander, Marner and Tavares.
I’m not saying people have to live hockey or have it shoved down their throats, just that due to how inaccessible it is that it’s highly unlikely it catches other other 3 major sports in North America when it comes to TV viewers.
You said the biggest issue was production cost to getting a big TV deal. I’m saying the biggest issue is lack of interest relative to the other leagues.
You are the one who made the claim Hockey is more expensive to produce that the other big 4 league, and significantly to the extent that it dramatically effects TV deals where the numbers are in the billions. Maybe put up a case other than someone told you so. You really think an NHL game costs over a million dollars to broadcast? I highly doubt that. That is around the cost just for Tony Romo per game for CBS NFL broadcasts. You are now down to pointing to poker and video games, when originally it was the other big 4 leagues. The NHL would have the same huge TV deals, if it drew in the viewers these other sports draw. You claim its production costs, which simply put is a ridiculous argument when you look at the ratings of MLB, NBA and NFL relative to the NHL.If you can prove otherwise, by all means, put together a presentation and tell it to the good folks in Bristol, CT. It would, at the very least, shut a lot of people up, even if Bristol is experiencing more problems than Fyre Festival right now.
I'm shocked that a player's journey in Arizona was different from one in Sweden or the GTA. And by the way, judging by the growth in registered players, the NHL team came first, not the youth clubs. USA Hockey had less than 200,000 registered players in 1990-91. It now has 561,700. I'm sure the NHL's growth had a little to do with it.
The average ticket price for an NFL game is $252. The average price of an NHL ticket on the secondary market is $135. It sounds like exposure to hockey for a fan is more accessible than it is for football.
The US population is 331 Million. The total number of registered hockey players is 561,700. Surprisingly, there is a larger payoff for going after the 99% of the population that does not play. Do you think the NHL cares if the fans can skate? Or do you think it's a bigger priority to get them to buy tickets and merch?
If the cost of doing business were cheaper for the networks, the league would have more options. Professional poker and video games have much lower overhead costs, and therefore higher net income, so they have TV contracts despite much lower interest.
You are the one who made the claim Hockey is more expensive to produce that the other big 4 league, and significantly to the extent that it dramatically effects TV deals where the numbers are in the billions. Maybe put up a case other than someone told you so.
You really think an NHL game costs over a million dollars to broadcast? I highly doubt that. That is around the cost just for Tony Romo per game for CBS NFL broadcasts.
You are now down to pointing to poker and video games, when originally it was the other big 4 leagues.
You claim its production costs, which simply put is a ridiculous argument when you look at the ratings of MLB, NBA and NFL relative to the NHL.
You said most players get their start watching the game and not having it passed down. You pointed to one example.
You pointed to one example. I pointed to multiple NHLers. Look at where most NHLers come from? So, isn't Matthews atypical?
The issue is hockey seems quite capped due to the barrier of entry to playing it even at a rec level, which impacts the interest it gets compared to Football, Basketball and Baseball (and Baseball is having similar issues do to it losing relevance in urban Amercia).
You just ignore the fact though that the NHL's revenues are significantly lower on their TV deals because they simply don't get the same national ratings as National games from the other 3 leagues. It has very little to do with expenses, they simply don't draw enough viewers, so the main issue is on the revenue side of your equation. The major issue isn't expenses, it's revenue. I have a hard time believing that an NHL game costs more to broadcast than a CBS NFL game due to the overhead of the salaries of people involved. You are simply talking production costs, which likely pale in comparison to the effect on salary. You also said someone told you, but I'd also be surprised if an NHL game actually has more in production costs than an NFL game considering the NFL uses 22 different cameras to capture angles during a game.When someone who works in the industry and has first-hand knowledge of the business, I'd take his word over most others. There are plenty of things I know little to nothing about, so, for example, when my accountant gives me tax advice, I take it, no questions asked.
Change my mind.
I used them as an example of how net income, not necessarily demand, can drive business decisions.
Revenue - expenses = net income. If the second is larger in one case over another, the first one has to make up for it.
I have more where that came from. No way AAA clubs would pop up in Texas, Arizona, California, Florida, North Carolina, etc. without the NHL down there. How else to explain that the number of registered players in the US has nearly tripled since 1990?
The term "players" does not only mean "guys in the NHL."
No argument there, but plenty more people watch the sport than play it. The NHL couldn't care less if you buy your kids a pair of skates. They make a grand total of $0 from that. They'd rather you buy tickets and merchandise.
Fox has a best coverage that NHL beeds. I megan they have not had any winter sports nationally.
Fox would be great partner for the NHL nation wide. If they get example 30-50 % next TV-packet NHL could easily charging 300-500 $.
FOX Sports Regional Networks have local media rights partnerships with 12 NHL teams, including the Anaheim Ducks, Arizona Coyotes, Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, Florida Panthers, Los Angeles Kings, Minnesota Wild, Nashville Predators, St. Louis Blues, and Tampa Bay Lightning
Pretty simple
Better ratings in good demographics
Will bring more money
Absolutely agreeIt's also a circular logic, though...
You get ratings by being popular. You get popular by getting exposure. So being on TV makes you more popular.
The terms of the deal are actually less significant than the way the league is treated by the network. This is why the NHL/ESPN relationship broke down. ESPN promoted the crap out of the NHL in the late 90s, until they got the NBA in 2002. They toss the NHL aside as an after thought. Every promo was for the NBA instead of the NHL games on their schedule.
I think the NHL should try to sell multiple packages, but definitely use NBC as the primary network because NBC treats the NHL extremely well.
Absolutely agree
Ironically, the greatest exposure the NHL has received were NHL93 & 94, the movie Swingers, and this cover
Most of this momentum was lost by the trap and the crack down in fighting in the league.
If you're trying to grow the game and one area is saturated, ... well, you see how much more water you can put into a full sponge.I think it was John Shannon who said on Oilers now podcast the other day. "EVERY Canadian team draws more numbers regionally then any American team"
Including the Rangers he mentioned specifically.
It's just the only room for growth for the game is in the U.S since Canada is virtually saturated I guess.
1. Surely I don't need to mention for the 12,0017th time why the NHL even got involved in the Coyotes saga.They'd rather play fan lotto in Arizona then the sure money in Quebec. I'm sure some smart people drove through the financial numbers and came up with this plan.
1. When you find any market of 1 million with 500,000 people watching hockey on one night, much less watching hockey night in and night out, let us know.I've mentioned it before.. I don't understand it. But 5k people watching hockey at night in a market of 10 million people is more valued then 500,000 people watching hockey in a market of 1 million.
It's such a shame every other sport is chock full of nonstop action that's edge-of-the-seat riveting and every play is meaningful. Wait, what - those other sports also have snoozers of games and/or games that just lumber through stretches that are forgettable too?I don't think the state of the game itself has done them any favors. Hockey today just isn't a sport that draws in new fans. Hell I have a tough time watching some Oiler games because the play just goes on with nothing remotely exciting happening. You know those games where they just dump.. chase.. whack at the puck in the corner.. go the other way.. whack at the puck in the corner. And we have the most exciting player in the world.. but even then there's stretches of games that are just way to blah.
Answered here: NHL’s Next TV DealFox has a best coverage that NHL beeds. I megan they have not had any winter sports nationally.
Fox would be great partner for the NHL nation wide. If they get example 30-50 % next TV-packet NHL could easily charging 300-500 $.
FOX Sports Regional Networks have local media rights partnerships with 12 NHL teams, including the Anaheim Ducks, Arizona Coyotes, Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, Florida Panthers, Los Angeles Kings, Minnesota Wild, Nashville Predators, St. Louis Blues, and Tampa Bay Lightning
I knew there was a thread that picked apart that cover.Absolutely agree
Ironically, the greatest exposure the NHL has received were NHL93 & 94, the movie Swingers, and this cover
Most of this momentum was lost by the trap and the crack down in fighting in the league.
I knew there was a thread that picked apart that cover.
Mythbusters: Sports Illustrated June 20, 1994 "Why the NHL's Hot and the NBA's Not"
I had the magazine and actually read it.I knew there was a thread that picked apart that cover.
Mythbusters: Sports Illustrated June 20, 1994 "Why the NHL's Hot and the NBA's Not"