Will Bedard break Forsberg’s WJC record this year?

[Ben White]

Forsberg set a seemingly unbreakable record in 1993, 31 p in 7 games. Bedard has 14 p in 3 games so far and will likely play more than 7 games. (However he has already beaten up the weakest teams so more competitive matchups awaits).

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[Buck Naked]

There's no way he's scoring at a 4 point per game pace the rest of the tournament, unfortunately.

We should appreciate him being in the conversation though and the fact that he's doing this still undrafted. Completely crazy!

 

[Ben White]

There's no way he's scoring at a 4 point per game pace the rest of the tournament, unfortunately.

We should appreciate him being in the conversation though and the fact that he's doing this still undrafted. Completely crazy!

Scary to think about how good he’ll be in 3-5 years

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Is he playing Austria and Germany the rest of the tournament? Then no.

 

[bobholly39]

One of the 2 who voted yes so far.

Obviously implies Canada makes finals - but i think he can definitely average 4-5 points a game from here on out. Up to 3 vs Sweden now, for 17 points.

 

[Miro4Norris]

4 points against Sweden is impressive but he needs 7 point game against Slovakia and it would still be very unlikely so no

 

[Aashir Mallik]

If he has a huge game against Slovakia he has a chance

I think he falls short, but him even being close is so so impressive

 

[psycat]

Forsberg's "record" is a fraud one(and I do like him as a player), anyway not really important either way since it's impossible to draw conclusions since not a single player on most teams Bedard face would make team Canada.

Would call it trivia at best.

 

[ricky0034]

no but if he even comes close it will be more impressive since there isn't a team anywhere near as bad as Japan in the tournament

 

[Buck Naked]

Forsberg's "record" is a fraud one(and I do like him as a player), anyway not really important either way since it's impossible to draw conclusions since not a single player on most teams Bedard face would make team Canada.

Would call it trivia at best.

Why fraud?

 

[severian]

Why fraud?

He put up a 10 point game against Japan. So not fraud but skewed by really weak competition.

 

[Buck Naked]

He put up a 10 point game against Japan. So not fraud but skewed by really weak competition.

And what is Austria? 2-35 in goal difference after 4 games.

 

[severian]

And what is Austria? 2-35 in goal difference after 4 games.

Japan lost to Sweden 20-1. Japan was a minus 74 in 7 games. Germany was also terrible that year.

This year’s Austria team is bad doubt. Still don’t think Bedard breaks Forsberg’s point total especially since he already go the really easy competition out of the way.

 

[wetcoast]

If he has a huge game against Slovakia he has a chance

I think he falls short, but him even being close is so so impressive

I think that he can do it but he won't as the coaching staff held back in that win against Austria.

People saying no really have to give their head a shake as they would have absolutely laughed at anyone suggesting that he would have an 8 point lead over the field after 4 games played.

The NHL is extremely competitive now but Bedard has that "it" factor that Gretzky, Crosby had and Ovi for goal scoring as they just exceed expectations and make everyone go Wow is this really happening.

Voted yes as he very well could but has already been held back by the coaches in one game and will be more focused on winning.

 

[Buck Naked]

Japan lost to Sweden 20-1. Japan was a minus 74 in 7 games. Germany was also terrible that year.

This year’s Austria team is bad doubt. Still don’t think Bedard breaks Forsberg’s point total especially since he already go the really easy competition out of the way.

Canada had all the chance in the world to beat Austria 20-1 this year too. They went 11-0, just like Sweden did. Then Canada beat Sweden by 5-1, by being the clearly better team.

 

[wetcoast]

Canada had all the chance in the world to beat Austria 20-1 this year too. They went 11-0, just like Sweden did. Then Canada beat Sweden by 5-1, by being the clearly better team.

Teams do take their foot off the gas you know.

 

[severian]

Canada had all the chance in the world to beat Austria 20-1 this year too. They went 11-0, just like Sweden did. Then Canada beat Sweden by 5-1, by being the clearly better team.

I’m not really getting your point. Bedard is amazing. He didn’t “capitalize” on the weak competition to the same extent as Forsberg in a weaker tournament. The fact that we’re even having the conversation of whether he can get to Forsberg’s point total is ridiculous enough.

 

[Buck Naked]

Teams do take their foot off the gas you know.

Why should Forsberg suffer because of that?

I’m not really getting your point. Bedard is amazing. He didn’t “capitalize” on the weak competition to the same extent as Forsberg in a weaker tournament. The fact that we’re even having the conversation of whether he can get to Forsberg’s point total is ridiculous enough.

I know it is, and like I wrote earlier in the thread, there's no way he will beat it. I interjected to the incredibly silly argument that Forsberg's record is "fraud".

Gretzky scored all his points i a weaker league as well, where goalies stood up and half the league were chain smoking alcoholics. That doesn't make any of his records "fraud" compared to what McDavid does today.

 

[wetcoast]

Why should Forsberg suffer because of that?

No one is saying that Forsberg should suffer because of it but it is context.

One can easily make the argument that even if Bedard falls a few points short that his performance would be more "impressive " than Foppas given his age and the Japan score.

Like I said when Bedard reached 7 points against Austria the coaches pulled him.

 

[Buck Naked]

No one is saying that Forsberg should suffer because of it but it is context.

One can easily make the argument that even if Bedard falls a few points short that his performance would be more "impressive " than Foppas given his age and the Japan score.

Like I said when Bedard reached 7 points against Austria the coaches pulled him.

The quote I responded to initially said that Forsberg's record was a "fraud". You can put all the context in the world around Forsberg's numbers and Bedard's usage, it still won't make him beat it and it doesn't take away anything from Forsberg since there's been plenty of generational talents facing awful teams since. They didn't score 10 points against them, like Forsberg did.

And yes, I basically made that same argument on the very top of the page of this thread.

 

[Ben White]

Japan lost to Sweden 20-1. Japan was a minus 74 in 7 games. Germany was also terrible that year.

This year’s Austria team is bad doubt. Still don’t think Bedard breaks Forsberg’s point total especially since he already go the really easy competition out of the way.

Lol. This year’s competition is weaker no doubt. Germany wasn’t that weak. They were -21 in seven games vs strong competition. For example Sweden (who was +38 in the tourney) only beat Germany 4-2. This year both Austria and Germany are underwhelming and Russia isn’t participating. Also WJC was a stronger outing back in the days before pre 20yo players started to join the NHL especially from the European countries. It was more like a true u20 best on best back then. On top of that most WJC’s since the round robin days has had 10 games played for the top 4 teams not 7 like back then which makes it even more impressive.

Forsberg’s stats vs top nations in 1993:
4 vs Canada
5 vs Russia
5 vs Finland
4 vs Czech
2 vs USA

Fraud?

 

[J bo Jeans]

If he gets within 5 points it will already be more impressive considering era.

 

[Ben White]

If he gets within 5 points it will already be more impressive considering era.

It’s not a weaker era dammit it was more a best on best tourney back then as especially European countries didn’t send players to the NHL before 20yo. Russia certainly had all their top talents available and this year they’re not even participating… The only argument for Bedard ‘23 over Forsberg ‘93 is age, but players were generally older back then + Forsberg dominated the games in ‘93 in a way Bedard doesn’t sniff this year. Maybe if Bedard could participate when he’s 19 (unlikely) he’d reach that level of dominance. But this year not even close.

 

[severian]

Why should Forsberg suffer because of that?



I know it is, and like I wrote earlier in the thread, there's no way he will beat it. I interjected to the incredibly silly argument that Forsberg's record is "fraud".

Gretzky scored all his points i a weaker league as well, where goalies stood up and half the league were chain smoking alcoholics. That doesn't make any of his records "fraud" compared to what McDavid does today.

That wasn’t me who used the word fraud. I wrote skewed by the weak competition. I agree with you.

 

[Ben White]

That wasn’t me who used the word fraud. I wrote skewed by the weak competition. I agree with you.

Weak competition…
Hm Forsberg had 20 points in 5 games vs the top teams. 4 ppg, when at least the European countries had access to all their top talents at 19 yo. Hm “skewed”? “Weak” competition?