Wild get scored on with empty net in overtime and forfeit 'loser' point

[Dirty Dan]

While true, the Wild were so far back that they really needed to gain 2 points on the Knights in the standings, not just 1 point. It's already a long shot, might as well try 6 on 5. If it was another team they were facing that they weren't even chasing, then waiting for 4 v 3 makes more sense.

You are right, the 4 v 3 made so sense cause the Knights would get a point anyway. Why not just try the Shootout. Now they get zero instead of 1

It the 4 v3 goal meant the Knights get zero points it would make sense

 

[tarheelhockey]

So for everyone who has questioned this rule, now you see how dumb it looks when the home crowd watches its team lose and the other team out there celebrating after scoring an uncontested ENG winner.

Imagine how fast we’d get sick of seeing such a lame ending if this was a routine thing, and you have the reason for the rule.

 

[hatterson]

It's a move that is objectively the wrong decision if you're looking at the averages and maximizing expected points, but with where they are that's not really what they're trying to do. They're trying to run hot and win everything. Obviously the coach felt that it was worth the risk to push the win chances higher.

I happen to disagree given that with an OT/SO loss normally they'd still be "only" back with 9 to play which isn't completely insane to make up, but I at least get the thought process.

 

[IamNotADancer]

"forfeit loser point" , that alone flies in the face of those who keep saying you get a point for losing.

They lost in OT, and didn't get said "loser" point.

Go ahead and try and square your semantics with that concept.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

100% want to keep the rule, don't want to see a team that stinks in shootouts just gamble because they get a point either way, but what I WOULD change (and this was brought up last thread) is I would make it so that if you are successful, the other team doesn't get a point. I.e. when Minny beat Nashville after pulling the goalie, Preds got a point, I say let's make it so they get nothing.

 

[wetcoast]

4 v 3 is more lethal than 6 v 5 , its a numbers game

The relevant number being they would get 2 points in regulation and the Knight's zero?

I think the 3 point system is stupid as is 3on3 and the SO just bring back ties.

 

[redwings25]

Really took any slight chance at the playoffs away. Coach sucks and shouldnt have been back next year anyway. Might help draft position.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

"forfeit loser point" , that alone flies in the face of those who keep saying you get a point for losing.

They lost in OT, and didn't get said "loser" point.

Go ahead and try and square your semantics with that concept.

I'm not sure what you're getting at because the rule is that if you pull the goalie in OT you forfeit the point you would normally be awarded when you lose.

If anything this exception confirms definitively it's a loser point.

 

[3074326]

I'm not sure what you're getting at because the rule is that if you pull the goalie in OT you forfeit the point you would normally be awarded when you lose.

If anything this exception confirms definitively it's a loser point.

This game/situation aside, the point you're talking about is awarded because of a tie at the end of regulation. Not because of a loss. The winner gets the second point for winning.

I don't really care if you call it a loser point, but your argument isn't logical.

 

[logan5]

Was this always the rule? I had no idea.

 

[Tob]

i thought kapizov and zucc would be dynamite at the shootout. zucc has always been. i didnt check their SO records in the last few seasons but it seems like they'd be able to field a decent SO lineup and have a decent chance. If they were the Islanders who are barren on shootout talent then ya but weird.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Enough with these terrible graphics overlays..

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Unless it's like the last game or so of the season and you need a regulation win as the tiebreaker to get in, i don't see the risk being worth it.

Not exactly the same, but the Minny situation was similar in that 1 point wasn't going to help them.

The strange thing is that Minny seemed to have Vegas back on its heels with 3x3 play and Minny was looking like they were going to score before they pulled the goalie, which seemed to have confused Minny more than it did Vegas.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

We've been bad in shootouts this year, I think Kaprizov is 0-5 or 0-6.

Very much approve of them doing what they did. 1 point out of that game would've been the worst outcome. 2 points (for playoffs) or 0 points (for draft position) were both much more preferred.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

This game/situation aside, the point you're talking about is awarded because of a tie at the end of regulation. Not because of a loss. The winner gets the second point for winning.

I don't really care if you call it a loser point, but your argument isn't logical.

Yes yes, I'm familiar with the pretzel logic. So in your version there's a team that won (check the NHL standings, it's recorded as a win) and the other team that tied at the end of regulation but apparently didn't lose. Winner and tied.

perfectly logical.

 

[wmupreds]

This was a worthwhile move when it caught Nashville totally off guard. It was executed at the right time and led directly to the GWG. Pulling it out again loses you the surprise factor and isn't worth it IMO

 

[north21]

Even if we scored we probably were not going to make the playoffs so why not try.

This was a worthwhile move when it caught Nashville totally off guard. It was executed at the right time and led directly to the GWG. Pulling it out again loses you the surprise factor and isn't worth it IMO

I was almost expected this time.

 

[Super Cake]

This was a worthwhile move when it caught Nashville totally off guard. It was executed at the right time and led directly to the GWG. Pulling it out again loses you the surprise factor and isn't worth it IMO

True.

Cassidy confirmed in his interveiw that he basically was aware that Hynes might pull the goalie again in overtime and he told his team about it after the 3rd period ended.

 

[jetsforever]

How is this recorded in the standings? Regular loss or OT loss but the point doesn't appear?

 

[JoVel]

The most annoying thing about this is that the Wild now have a record of 35-28-10, which should indicate 80 points but they have 79 points instead. I'm not sure how I can sleep tonight with this kind of injustice in the world.

 

[serp]

Wild absolutely needed the win to keep a very slight playoff chance alive. So i don't blame them.

 

[Oddbob]

Did they actually lose a point? Standings have them with 80 pts, 1 more than they had before the Vegas game.

 

[MikeyMike01]

This strategy is so profoundly stupid.

 

[MikeyMike01]

If the purpose of the rule is to to discourage teams from doing this, why not just make it against the rules to pull the goalie in 3v3 unless there's a penalty? I don't really get it.

The rule was added when ties existed. They didn’t want some EN gong show at the end of OT, since OTL and T were both 1 pt, there was no downside to pulling the goalie.

This rule makes a lot less sense once the shootout was added.

 

[The Merchant]

Damn, if Dallas did this they'd never make the playoffs