Why is laine not training his skating?

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Slaunwhite is on top of his training and goes to Finland personally. He has said that Laine is right where he wants him to be.

This doubt is all from a lack of information and we will never have all of the information.
If the kid says that he didn't skate in the first playoffs because he couldn't (Because of his back) then people should kinda listen and realize that there might be a reason why he literally looks worse skating wise now than he did in his first year.
 

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If the kid says that he didn't skate in the first playoffs because he couldn't (Because of his back) then people should kinda listen and realize that there might be a reason why he literally looks worse skating wise now than he did in his first year.

If that is the case his summer training needs to change ASAP to salvage what is left of his back. That heavy lifting isn’t exactly helping his back and it scares me that his back is worse every year, instead of getting better.
 

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Seems like people are arguing needlessly (what’s new).
Laine clearly wants to do what ever is best for him.
The Jets are clearly involved to some degree.
It’s fair given the info most people have to be disappointed in the apparent lack of results.
In season practices can never replace off season skill development.
My assumption is that Laine should spend more time then the avg player working on his skating.

Chances are he is doing more of this then we are giving him credit for.

Overall it would seem fixing his back issues are more important then anything.

Here’s hoping he has a great off season and signs with the Jets well before training camp.
 

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If that is the case his summer training needs to change ASAP to salvage what is left of his back. That heavy lifting isn’t exactly helping his back and it scares me that his back is worse every year, instead of getting better.
Barkov got rid of back problems (Similar body type, too) by stopping weight training for his back. I expect Laine to go the same route. Patty has a very rounded back, you can see it in pictures.
 
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Barkov got rid of back problems (Similar body type, too) by stopping weight training for his back. I expect Laine to go the same route. Patty has a very rounded back, you can see it in pictures.
Barkov didn’t exactly stop weight training for his back completely. He did change it though. And he changed his training in general to be less stressful for his back. But he in fact had to do more exercises for his back - just that kind of exercises that would be more helpful in developing his back muscles in a less stressful manner. It does seem that these changes helped him immensely, as he has been a lot better with everything physical since he made those changes about three years ago.
 
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If Laine has issues with his lower back, then it will be key for him to work on his core (abs, etc.).
 
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If Laine has issues with his lower back, then it will be key for him to work on his core (abs, etc.).
But he has been concentrating on those kind of exercises already for the last three off-seasons. Core and leg muscles have been the priority already for three straight off-seasons. What I think he needs, and most probably it is even happening this off-season, is changing some exercises to be less stressful for the back. On the other hand they can’t for sure leave his back without training. But they will most probably need to change the type of exercises that he is doing. Exactly what was done with Barkov’s training in the similar kind of situation three years ago.
 

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I'd like to hear a more in-detail analysis from you why his training program is moronic and how exactly it contributed to his back problems. You'd have to wonder why Laine and half of the Finnish elite NHL players train under the same physics guru summer after summer if the training programs he devises are "moronic". Surely these millionaires have somewhere else to go to if the guy isn't qualified to understand how to train with a back problem.

Here is your exact list that contains "half of the Finnish elite NHL players"

2018: Mikko Rantanen Patrik Laine Lauri Korpikoski Joonas Järvinen Joni Ortio Jerry Ahtola Sebastian Repo Aleksandr Georgiev Sampo Ranta Kaapo Kakko Aleksi Anttalainen Oskari Siiki Ruben Rafkin Matias Maccelli



Every single other elite player has quit the group, for example Tomi Kallio, who has said that he's been doing better after doing his own training. Ristolainen quit the group, and for example two of the best local players ever have never even been to the group (M. Koivu and M. Kipprusoff) - even though they have been extremely well aware of the group (due to their pro brothers trying the group out)

Every single other good nhl player has quit the group, and for good reason - the training program is nothing like the programs that the best players use, in hockey or in other sports

If you would care to read up on the subject, you'd quite easily figure out that there are several aspects to the program, which are not found in any other training program that any high-level team sport athlete would use:

-absolutely zero aerobic training
-completely one-sided / monotonous program consisting of only anaerobic training, strength training etc
-months without any sport-specific training
-anaerobic training so often that even the "speed work" is not really speed work, just stuff done in a fatigued state
-a completely moronic application of block-periodization training models, forgetting the main thing about block-periodization: when concentrating on one aspect of training, you should maintain the others
-training blocks are wayy too long, which gives sub-optimal results even for the abilities they are trying to concentrate on

For example: you should never completely quit speed/strength/skill/balance training, even when you are doing 2+2 weeks of "hard" aerobic+anaerobic endurance training.

They have for many months during the summer (for many years) completely neglected important aspects of training: aerobic training, real speed training, skill training, transfering the general training to sport specific movements / patterns etc.

Even when doing a "strength training block" or a "muscle hypertrophy block", you should't completely stop the sport specific training

You will not find a single soccer/basketball star who forgets the ball for 3-4 months on their "basic condiotioning" cycles of the season. The same is true for the best players in hockey: you can check out Connor McDavids' training programs during the summer, and you can see that even while he has improved his strength levels, he has kept on doing easy aerobic work + skating at least 3 times a week.

Even in the same city, Turku, the trainer of the local pro club constantly has the players do light aerobic work etc.

If the program is "good", it sure is a wonder that they are the only ones training in such a manner

Mikko Rantanen is an exection among exections, the coach has said so himself in multiple occasions. His mother has been a sprint runner, he has quality genes. His siblings are good athletes too. Rantanen would have been faster, stronger + better much earlier if he would've done better training also in the summers in stead of that program.

(Although it must be stated that Rantanen probably has not exactly followed the program: the program does not include any aerobic running, and he has been filmed in a documentary doing it alone in the summer)
 
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But he has been concentrating on those kind of exercises already for the last three off-seasons. Core and leg muscles have been the priority already for three straight off-seasons. What I think he needs, and most probably it is even happening this off-season, is changing some exercises to be less stressful for the back. On the other hand they can’t for sure leave his back without training. But they will most probably need to change the type of exercises that he is doing. Exactly what was done with Barkov’s training in the similar kind of situation three years ago.

But here is the problem: you clearly have ZERO knowledge of biomechanics, biology, fysiology, coaching, strength training etc

I have read some of your older posts too, and it's quite clear you are just a Rautala-apologist with zero factual knowledge of the ways other ahtletes train, or how the scientific research suggests to train

Training strength + anaerobic work for 3-4 months for several summers does not mean at all that any back issues would diminish, or that the "core" of the athlete would get stronger

In fact, if you do too much anaerobic training / strength training, the body just goes in to an inflammed state, strength levels go down, the muscles become stiffer / more painful by the day etc

Laine had every single symptom of over-training in the fall of 2017: weight gain, sore muscles "until december", slower speed etc.

There is not a single "over-reaching" -type training program on the planet, that needs 3 months recovery time to get rid of muscle soreness. In fact, if you go to a "sports medicine physician", they will diagnose you with "over-training" in stead of "over-reaching", if you are not able to recover from fatigue, muscle soreness etc in 2 weeks.

There is not a single reaction or positive adaptation to training that happens in the body after 3 months off of the training program.

Laine needing until Christmas to recover from his summer ""strength training" is just a clear sign of a monotonous program with a training load that caused fatigue + overtraining in stead of "specific adaptations to imposed demands".

I would bet that his back issues are partly to blame on the training program that he has been on in the summers.

This spring someone mentioned on the hfboards that he is going to "take it lighter" in the summer training due to his back issues, let's hope he makes some other major adjustments at the same time.
 

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Here is your exact list that contains "half of the Finnish elite NHL players"

2018: Mikko Rantanen Patrik Laine Lauri Korpikoski Joonas Järvinen Joni Ortio Jerry Ahtola Sebastian Repo Aleksandr Georgiev Sampo Ranta Kaapo Kakko Aleksi Anttalainen Oskari Siiki Ruben Rafkin Matias Maccelli

As you can see, you are pretty much full of ****. There are exactly 2 local / current nhl-players in the group + Laine.

Every single other elite player has quit the group, for example Tomi Kallio, who has said that he's been doing better after doing his own training. Ristolainen quit the group, and for example two of the best local players ever have never even been to the group (M. Koivu and M. Kipprusoff) - even though they have been extremely well aware of the group (due to their pro brothers trying the group out)

Every single other good nhl player has quit the group, and for good reason - the training program is nothing like the programs that the best players use, in hockey or in other sports

If you would care to read up on the subject, you'd quite easily figure out that there are several aspects to the program, which are not found in any other training program that any high-level team sport athlete would use:

-absolutely zero aerobic training
-completely one-sided / monotonous program consisting of only anaerobic training, strength training etc
-months without any sport-specific training
-anaerobic training so often that even the "speed work" is not really speed work, just stuff done in a fatigued state
-a completely moronic application of block-periodization training models, forgetting the main thing about block-periodization: when concentrating on one aspect of training, you should maintain the others
-training blocks are wayy too long, which gives sub-optimal results even for the abilities they are trying to concentrate on

For example: you should never completely quit speed/strength/skill/balance training, even when you are doing 2+2 weeks of "hard" aerobic+anaerobic endurance training.

They have for many months during the summer (for many years) completely neglected important aspects of training: aerobic training, real speed training, skill training, transfering the general training to sport specific movements / patterns etc.

Even when doing a "strength training block" or a "muscle hypertrophy block", you should't completely stop the sport specific training

You will not find a single soccer/basketball star who forgets the ball for 3-4 months on their "basic condiotioning" cycles of the season. The same is true for the best players in hockey: you can check out Connor McDavids' training programs during the summer, and you can see that even while he has improved his strength levels, he has kept on doing easy aerobic work + skating at least 3 times a week.

Even in the same city, Turku, the trainer of the local pro club constantly has the players do light aerobic work etc.

If the program is "good", it sure is a wonder that they are the only ones training in such a manner

Mikko Rantanen is an exection among exections, the coach has said so himself in multiple occasions. His mother has been a sprint runner, he has quality genes. His siblings are good athletes too. Rantanen would have been faster, stronger + better much earlier if he would've done better training also in the summers in stead of that program.

(Although it must be stated that Rantanen probably has not exactly followed the program: the program does not include any aerobic running, and he has been filmed in a documentary doing it alone in the summer)

Not sure where this information is coming from...

But lets see what the retort is...

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Slaunwhite is on top of his training and goes to Finland personally. He has said that Laine is right where he wants him to be.

This doubt is all from a lack of information and we will never have all of the information.

Well, read up on it. Laine's summer coach has said on camera that he got a bunch of programs from Winnipeg and basically threw them to the trash bin. And he said that laughing

So probably no, Laine has not been training all these years the way the Winnipeg trainers are telling him.

They are probably just telling the media good things to keep the media off his back.
 

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If that is the case his summer training needs to change ASAP to salvage what is left of his back. That heavy lifting isn’t exactly helping his back and it scares me that his back is worse every year, instead of getting better.

Deadlifting etc can cure some back issues, but it can also make other back problems worse

He has been to quite a few doctors, and he has been to a physiotherapist every week in the summer to "work on his back" (probably some stretching, massage, stability work etc), so it think that his back has been scanned and examined enough times to know if he's have some structural deformity or something like that that would be aggravated by doing heavy lifting

In stead, I claim that some of his back muscles are just in a near-permanent state of fatigue due to bad sitting positions (in one photo he sits on a bed playing video games), skipping naps (& just playing is stead of them, he has said that he never sleeps during the day even in game days), taking 1000 slap shots a week, and going on a training program in the summer that causes muscle soreness & inflammation for months.

I bet that the deadlifting itself would not be the problem, if the training loads on a weekly-monthly basis would not be high enough to cause long-term fatigue / overtraining etc.
 
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Barkov got rid of back problems (Similar body type, too) by stopping weight training for his back. I expect Laine to go the same route. Patty has a very rounded back, you can see it in pictures.

The guy with the best legs of all time in bodybuilding, Tom Platz, did a load of steroids, and even he had to alter his hamstring-training, because his back just jammed / got too tight from doing hamstring exercises that also activate the lower back (single leg deadlifts, deadlifts, good morning etc), and it got better after changing to exercises that activate more of just the legs.

And that was despite the fact that he claimed to train his legs only every 2 weeks. (He was on so much roids that he didn't need to keep up his hormone levels by doing the heavy major lifts like most natural bodybuilders have to)


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Well, read up on it. Laine's summer coach has said on camera that he got a bunch of programs from Winnipeg and basically threw them to the trash bin. And he said that laughing

So probably no, Laine has not been training all these years the way the Winnipeg trainers are telling him.

They are probably just telling the media good things to keep the media off his back.
In fact you better start giving us links or something more of proof than your absurd claims. So far practically everything you posted here is only through your bold claims, and you have given zero proof of anything that you have claimed. It really seems to me that you have some sort of specific agenda here. Not sure what it is about, but I’m pretty sure you are exposed sooner or later. Anyway, you have already made numerous false claims about training in a way like you really are knowing something. Honestly you have a very misleading approach. Throwing out mostly false information here. Sad but true.
 

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If Laine has issues with his lower back, then it will be key for him to work on his core (abs, etc.).
If that is the case his summer training needs to change ASAP to salvage what is left of his back. That heavy lifting isn’t exactly helping his back and it scares me that his back is worse every year, instead of getting better.
If the kid says that he didn't skate in the first playoffs because he couldn't (Because of his back) then people should kinda listen and realize that there might be a reason why he literally looks worse skating wise now than he did in his first year.

Btw, one reason that his back is jamming might be that their program has zero light aerobic work

As pretty much anyone familiar with any sport science or the training programs of elite athletes know, top athletes do even some extremely light + short exercises on a low intensity - not in order to load their system, but just to help it recover

Here is a graph onthe effect of exercise at different intensities on the level of cortisol, the main catabolic hormone / stress hormone of the body.

Changing the intensity from 110bpm to just 149bpm, or from 40% VO2max to just 60%, you change the entire effect of the exercise.

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Btw, one reason that his back is jamming might be that their program has zero light aerobic work

As pretty much anyone familiar with any sport science or the training programs of elite athletes know, top athletes do even some extremely light + short exercises on a low intensity - not in order to load their system, but just to help it recover

Here is a graph onthe effect of exercise at different intensities on the level of cortisol, the main catabolic hormone / stress hormone of the body.

Changing the intensity from 110bpm to just 149bpm, or from 40% VO2max to just 60%, you change the entire effect of the exercise.

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Badminton is not light aerobic work?
 
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Here is your exact list that contains "half of the Finnish elite NHL players"

2018: Mikko Rantanen Patrik Laine Lauri Korpikoski Joonas Järvinen Joni Ortio Jerry Ahtola Sebastian Repo Aleksandr Georgiev Sampo Ranta Kaapo Kakko Aleksi Anttalainen Oskari Siiki Ruben Rafkin Matias Maccelli

As you can see, you are pretty much full of ****. There are exactly 2 local / current nhl-players in the group + Laine.

Every single other elite player has quit the group, for example Tomi Kallio, who has said that he's been doing better after doing his own training. Ristolainen quit the group, and for example two of the best local players ever have never even been to the group (M. Koivu and M. Kipprusoff) - even though they have been extremely well aware of the group (due to their pro brothers trying the group out)

Every single other good nhl player has quit the group, and for good reason - the training program is nothing like the programs that the best players use, in hockey or in other sports

If you would care to read up on the subject, you'd quite easily figure out that there are several aspects to the program, which are not found in any other training program that any high-level team sport athlete would use:

-absolutely zero aerobic training
-completely one-sided / monotonous program consisting of only anaerobic training, strength training etc
-months without any sport-specific training
-anaerobic training so often that even the "speed work" is not really speed work, just stuff done in a fatigued state
-a completely moronic application of block-periodization training models, forgetting the main thing about block-periodization: when concentrating on one aspect of training, you should maintain the others
-training blocks are wayy too long, which gives sub-optimal results even for the abilities they are trying to concentrate on

For example: you should never completely quit speed/strength/skill/balance training, even when you are doing 2+2 weeks of "hard" aerobic+anaerobic endurance training.

They have for many months during the summer (for many years) completely neglected important aspects of training: aerobic training, real speed training, skill training, transfering the general training to sport specific movements / patterns etc.

Even when doing a "strength training block" or a "muscle hypertrophy block", you should't completely stop the sport specific training

You will not find a single soccer/basketball star who forgets the ball for 3-4 months on their "basic condiotioning" cycles of the season. The same is true for the best players in hockey: you can check out Connor McDavids' training programs during the summer, and you can see that even while he has improved his strength levels, he has kept on doing easy aerobic work + skating at least 3 times a week.

Even in the same city, Turku, the trainer of the local pro club constantly has the players do light aerobic work etc.

If the program is "good", it sure is a wonder that they are the only ones training in such a manner

Mikko Rantanen is an exection among exections, the coach has said so himself in multiple occasions. His mother has been a sprint runner, he has quality genes. His siblings are good athletes too. Rantanen would have been faster, stronger + better much earlier if he would've done better training also in the summers in stead of that program.

(Although it must be stated that Rantanen probably has not exactly followed the program: the program does not include any aerobic running, and he has been filmed in a documentary doing it alone in the summer)
You are practically only spewing lies here. For example Tomi Kallio said during his last Liiga season last year that he is thankful that he has been able to train in Hannu Rautala’s for so many years. He said this in his final Liiga season, and you dare to claim here that he has said that he got better results when he left Rautala’s training. Hahahaha! What crap you are truly spewing here! So Kallio is now happy that he can train somewhere else when he has retired as a 41 year old, whom was telling during his final season how grateful he was especially to have been able to train in Rautala’s group.
Tomi Kallio: ”Kilpaileminen saa minut syttymään”

Then your atrocious lies about the training in Rautala’s group are really something else. For example your claim about them not having any aerobic training at all is absolutely false. They do have some track and field running that is for the aerobic recovering training that is needed. The same goes with their gym training - they have aerobic recovering exercises included as well. But when you are looking for especially to improve your explosiveness, you really can’t do too much of aerobic exercises, just enough to balance with the muscle recovering. And also it is a well known fact in hockey training circles that nowadays it is not very useful to have too much of aerobic exercises if you want to gain especially good explosiveness for your skating. And even the needed stamina for the short shifts that hockey has can’t be trained well if there is too much of aerobic training. Sure things have to be in good enough balance, but I can assure you that Rautala and his people know about the right kind of hockey training for sure better than you do.

And I could go through practically all that you have posted here about this subject and find lies after lies. You should be really ashamed of what you have been posting here.
 
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Anyway, you have already made numerous false claims about training in a way like you really are knowing something. Honestly you have a very misleading approach. Throwing out mostly false information here. Sad but true.

Actually, I know something about this, and that is why I am able to call out your BS. You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of sport sciences.

Try & find studies, or examples of training programs of olympic champions etc, that indicate that the blocks in block periodization should be 3-4 months. You will not find any. That is a completely moronic way to train.

Here is Mr Rautala joking on a video about the guides he has gotten from the NHL organizations:

(On the same video, you can see Rantanen doing exercises that are not part of the program, and Laine doing 1hour of hard badminton as an extra training session on his "recovery day", also not part of the program)

Here is Laine in 2017 telling that he didn't do skate-training for almost 5 months in a row:
Katso video: Patrik Laine muistelee hymyssä suin omia A-junioriaikojaan
(He started doing on ice -training in september 2017, and he had played his last game on the 8th of April.)

Here he is telling about not getting going until christmas because of his summer training:
Patrik Laine himoaa henkilökohtaista palkintoa NHL:ssä – "Valehtelisin, jos väittäisin, ettenkö haluaisi voittaa sitä"

Here is one of the times that they have stated that they do zero aerobic training, and that they try to do everything with high intensity:
”Fyysisesti nollatasolla”- Patrik Laineesta rääkättiin NHL-pelaaja Turussa
(They have also told that the program has stayed the same for many years)

Here's one of the times that they have published their weekly training schedule in the media: it has always been the same, and in the articles the players tell that it has stayed the same for years. The coach also likes to tell about how he keeps on doing the same things that work, and have worked for decades.
Paljonko nousee jalkakyykystä, Patrik Laine? Näin hirmuraudat tottelevat maalitykkiä
Their "recovery session" actually is the day they do maximum bench press, their "aerobic" work is actually max intensity/short duration work e.g. on an elliptical trainer, and during the "light" day they do explosive training / speed work, and Laine went to do 1 hour of hard badminton on one of those "easy" days, as you could see on the previous video)
 

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Badminton is not light aerobic work?

Well if you read up on heart rate / exercise metabolic rate -studies of different sports, badminton is one of the hardest sports on earth when played with intensity.

If you check out the video I posted, you can also see that their badminton session was nowhere near light aerobics.

If you watch all the videos from their training sessions, you can also see that their "aerobic elliptical training" is actually short intervals done to exhaustion. (=not aerobic at all, just increases inflammation in the body, decreases the aerobic fitness level of top athletes etc)
 

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That documentary you posted (and that most of us have probably fast forwarded through as it always comes up) is like a parody.

They asked Rautala how much his program has evolved over the last 30 years and he says that it’d be easy to answer that they are getting better at it, but the truth is that it has hardly changed at all. Then the interviewer asks how much NHL clubs are contacting him for advice and he says extremely little.

I have for years said that the guy looks like a hack, I mean he’s an ex gym teacher, I really don’t see upside with him and his methods.
 

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That documentary you posted (and that most of us have probably fast forwarded through as it always comes up) is like a parody.

They asked Rautala how much his program has evolved over the last 30 years and he says that it’d be easy to answer that they are getting better at it, but the truth is that it has hardly changed at all. Then the interviewer asks how much NHL clubs are contacting him for advice and he says extremely little.

I have for years said that the guy looks like a hack, I mean he’s an ex gym teacher, I really don’t see upside with him and his methods.

He is not a complete hack. Positive things:

-knows the stuff about most basic lifts / exercises, knows the proper technique etc
-tries to see every rep that every athlete does on the major lifts, and if they seem they are not able to do it, he stops them (unlike most really dangerous trainers in crossfit etc)
-keeps the group quite small, especially compared to the number of coaches, is able to give personal feedback

So he is not a "dangerous" coach who causes everyone to have a bunch of acute / traumatic injuries.

I think there would be almost no problems if he'd be coaching them for only their strength training sessions / anaerobic running sessions, 2-3 times a week.
 
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Actually, I know something about this, and that is why I am able to call out your BS. You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of sport sciences.

Try & find studies, or examples of training programs of olympic champions etc, that indicate that the blocks in block periodization should be 3-4 months. You will not find any. That is a completely moronic way to train.

Here is Mr Rautala joking on a video about the guides he has gotten from the NHL organizations:

(On the same video, you can see Rantanen doing exercises that are not part of the program, and Laine doing 1hour of hard badminton as an extra training session on his "recovery day", also not part of the program).

Here is Laine in 2017 telling that he didn't do skate-training for almost 5 months in a row:
Katso video: Patrik Laine muistelee hymyssä suin omia A-junioriaikojaan
(He started doing on ice -training in september 2017, and he had played his last game on the 8th of April.)

Here he is telling about not getting going until christmas because of his summer training:
Patrik Laine himoaa henkilökohtaista palkintoa NHL:ssä – "Valehtelisin, jos väittäisin, ettenkö haluaisi voittaa sitä"

Here is one of the times that they have stated that they do zero aerobic training, and that they try to do everything with high intensity:
”Fyysisesti nollatasolla”- Patrik Laineesta rääkättiin NHL-pelaaja Turussa
(They have also told that the program has stayed the same for many years)

Here's one of the times that they have published their weekly training schedule in the media: it has always been the same, and in the articles the players tell that it has stayed the same for years. The coach also likes to tell about how he keeps on doing the same things that work, and have worked for decades.
Paljonko nousee jalkakyykystä, Patrik Laine? Näin hirmuraudat tottelevat maalitykkiä
Their "recovery session" actually is the day they do maximum bench press, their "aerobic" work is actually max intensity/short duration work e.g. on an elliptical trainer, and during the "light" day they do explosive training / speed work, and Laine went to do 1 hour of hard badminton on one of those "easy" days, as you could see on the previous video)

Actually you don’t know much about Laine’s training. Your posts are filled with errors and false interpretations of what has been said in interviews. You also aren’t obviously into hockey training itself, but most probably a guy who is recreationally doing some body building or weight lifting and wants to prove that he is great with his training knowledge, unfortunately, you are telling only about things that apply to some sports and some training, but not specificly to hockey related training.

Btw, a person from these boards that knows Laine personally has said that Laine has been on the ice latest in the beginning of August every single summer during his NHL career. And mostly he has been on the ice already during July. This is in fact the approach that a lot of NHL players have. A month or two of the specific harder physical training. Not 4-5 months that was mentioned in the small Finnish hillbilly newspaper that made a mistake with their short ”article” about Laine’s training. The mentioned skating training in September was about when he got to join with the Tappara A-junior’s in Tampere after he had finished his physical training with Rautala’s group in Turku. But it doesnt mean that he wasn't at all on the ice when he was in Turku for the summer. Just a journalistic ”mastermind” doing his work in some creative way.

Then the interview where Laine in your opinion says that he only got going after Christmas. He in fact said in that interview that it tells him that he has trained well and hard that he started feeling even better with his playing after Christmas. He didn’t say that he just plain sucked until that, or that he wasn't able to play well before that. You just interpreted what he said towards your obvious agenda.

Unfortunately your last two links are behind paywalls. Interesting, if you are a paying subscriber of the Finnish tabloids. That by itself tells me again something about you...

Oh, and I recommend you to study in more detail how Draisaitl and Barkov for example have been training for years already. You should find majority of their training very similar to what they do in Rautala’s group. Both have been doing exceptionally well (Just like Rantanen from Rautala’s group), when they have got to their 22-23 year old seasons. Laine is just getting there in a year or two.
 
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