Psycho Papa Joe
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I don't think the Flyers are an innocent party in that fiasco.
Plus, this thread is about what happened when he was a teenager. Obviously he never got it.
Why didn't Lindros want to play in Quebec?
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I don't think the Flyers are an innocent party in that fiasco.
Plus, this thread is about what happened when he was a teenager. Obviously he never got it.
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lindros never put on the jersey, just put it under his arm.
he did, however, pose for the obligatory picture.
but that's neither here nor there. whether lindros or mario were classier kind of misses the real point of that quote, whether you agree or disagree with that article.
just a sidenote: you could take the word "russians" out of that post and replace it with "pat quinn" and it still works the same.
but back on topic, lindros's behaviour through his entire career up to the (second) rangers trade was a whole lot of me first. we can argue until the cows come home about whether he had a right to act like he did or not, but i look back at it and then look at the current sports landscape, where someone like kevin durant is spoken about like he's the dalai lama for not acting like a giant baby and demanding to be moved from his small market team, and i shake my head. but i guess it's a different world now.
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Ya, called Fire on Ice, and the explanation they gave for refusing to allow Eric to report to the Sault was all about "education". They wanted Eric to finish High School & go on to University, however, SSM didnt then nor does it now have a University, in addition to which the team itself, its philosophies at that time (and to this day is the case with most Major Jr clubs) was that hockey came first, education second. In other words, more than likely the kid wouldnt even finish HS if he played for Sault Ste Marie. The OHA actually changed their Draft Rules, permitting teams to trade their #1 picks as a result of Lindro's refusal to report after being selected.... as far as Quebec is concerned, apparently Bonnie Lindros didnt think the franchise was stable (as mentioned earlier) and secondly, was small market (which it was & still is) and would limit his marketability & sponsorship opportunities.
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do not want to call theguy a liar-- but he would not have become a UFA nor would he have fallen into the catagoryof being able to get a offer sheet after two years
Something that came out right before he retired suggested at the time-- only Vancouver and Toronto were Canadian teams he was willing to play for. IT was all about "Brand Lindros" and how he was going to be marketed-- small market teams and teams in non hockey markets was not an option
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Remember as well the mess the Nordiques got themselves into when seemingly theyd also agreed to a trade with the Rangers? An Arbitrator, Larry Bertuzzi (Grand Uncle of Todd) was appointed by the league to sort the mess out. Seems the Rangers had offered $12M in Cash, Doug Weight, Tony Amonte, Alex Kovalev & John Vanbiesbrouck along with 3 - 1st Round Draft Picks in 1993, 1994 & 1995....
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He thought(or his parents thought) he was bigger than the game and his massive talents couldn't possibly blossom in such a small market therefore he deemed QC unworthy.
to be fair to Eric regarding the Sault St Marie situation, many kids have refused to go to the northern ontario teams for a long time.
He's not a liar, he one of the top agents in the game.I'm sure he knows a lot more than YOU.
lindros never put on the jersey, just put it under his arm.
he did, however, pose for the obligatory picture.
but that's neither here nor there. whether lindros or mario were classier kind of misses the real point of that quote, whether you agree or disagree with that article.
just a sidenote: you could take the word "russians" out of that post and replace it with "pat quinn" and it still works the same.
but back on topic, lindros's behaviour through his entire career up to the (second) rangers trade was a whole lot of me first. we can argue until the cows come home about whether he had a right to act like he did or not, but i look back at it and then look at the current sports landscape, where someone like kevin durant is spoken about like he's the dalai lama for not acting like a giant baby and demanding to be moved from his small market team, and i shake my head. but i guess it's a different world now.
Maybe you weren't around during the Cold War, but it's very apt to use the word "Russian".Who can forget stone faced Gromyko always saying "nyet"? It was a deliberate negotiating style well know to us in the West.
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Lindros came around at a time when the players were starting to flex some muscle.
The PA has a shift in power from Eagleson, Lindros is drafted in 1991, refuses to go to the NHL team that drafted him, and less than a year later, the PA went on strike before the playoffs. It was short lived, but it was the first lit match thrown into the pit, which then eventually led to, so far, 3 lockouts.
Small markets, wanting more money, getting to choose where you play/work. Lindros not going to Quebec didn't cause all that, but it was certainly part of the mix.
The PA has a shift in power from Eagleson, Lindros is drafted in 1991, refuses to go to the NHL team that drafted him, and less than a year later, the PA went on strike before the playoffs. It was short lived, but it was the first lit match thrown into the pit, which then eventually led to, so far, 3 lockouts.
Small markets, wanting more money, getting to choose where you play/work. Lindros not going to Quebec didn't cause all that, but it was certainly part of the mix.
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Firstly the pay for hockey back then was not what it is now, so that makes the Lindros familys actions much more understandable. Secondly they never took Quebecs value away from them, the Nordiques were still in full position to trade him which they later did for a good haul. So considering that Lindros missed a full season of NHL action becouse of the pick, i dont understand why everyone just keep going on and on about the whole matter.
In the end Quebec won much more in that trade. They got Forsberg plus other great assets such as Ron Hextall... They won 2 cups with Forsberg, Lindros got nada! Forsberg was the player Lindros only dreamed of becoming...
Darth Yoda your comparing apples to oranges yes players didnt make as much as today but they made many times more than average citizen.Maurice Richard was underpaid by todays standard but he made 7 times what average canadian made.A very good hockey player in 1980 making 300 000 was very good money.You could buy a 2500 sq foot home in Vancouver for 75 000 dollars.That same house in Vancouver is worth 2 million dollars.Its all about economics and a little historical knowledge.
Jumptheshark
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well i played to a top level, worked briefly in the 90's for rich winter (as an intern) after getting "the talk" and had two cousins in the nhl and I played with guys who did make it to the nhl and got some insight for awhile in how things operated. Lindros would not have been a ufa after 2 years. Draft rules changed in the mid 90's-- I got a little more game then some on this site for hockey knowledge on a business side of things. Under the CBA in place when Lindros was DRAFTED (using caps just since you are so fawned of them) Lindros would not have been a UFA until he 28 and he could not get an offer sheet until I believe (this I could have wrong) until he was 21/22 either 3 or 4 years after he got drafted.
Quick question-- how many pages is their in a standard player contract from this time?
btw there was a way for Lindros to be rid of the nords after two year--NOT SIGN WITH THEM(again you like caps) and go back into the draft in 1993 draft and the Nords would have gotten the 35th overall pick (if memory serves me correctly--somewhere between 30 and 35)--he is a fun question for history of Hockey people-- If the Nords do no trade Lindros and Lindros goes into the 1993 draft as a re-entry--Alex daigle who went first would have dropped--sens had the first pick
two questions
1) How far would have Daigle dropped
2) Would Lindros sign with the sens?
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No the Flyers weren't innocent at all. Heck, Bobby Clarke isn't what I would call a pillar of the community either, but the common denominator of franchises the Lindros' couldn't get along with trumps it in this case.
How many times do we have to say that no one is bigger than the game? When Gretzky retired in 1999 hockey didn't die. It lost a little bit, but that's because they lost the most easily marketed player to ever play. But it survived. We still miss Gretzky and sometimes long for the old days, but the game is always stronger than an individual. Crosby and Ovechkin will retire someday too and we'll feel empty. But new players will take their place.
Lindros was never even close to the player Gretzky was in his prime but acted like he was God's gift to the NHL from day one. It is not a right to play in the NHL, it is a privilege.
The irony huh?
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You never know. One of the pieces the Avs gave up to get Roy was Jocelyn Thibault whom was selected with a pick acquired from Philly. They likely dont win the cup without Roy. Forsberg also went the other way.
I'm almost positive there were comments made about seperatism and the province itself. Lindros was heavily booed in Montreal for the remainder of his career despite the fact that they hated the Nords. Not like you see the many players spurning the Oilers getting booed in Calgary although such may be the case if they ever directly spam Alberta.
I don't know, either you can hide from them or they have a twisted sense of humour, they rewarded Claude Lemieux with four Stanley Cups
Gotta get your facts straight here in 80 you could buy a garage attached half duplex in Burnaby (basically a Vancouver special with only the garages attached), which my father did for 72K, the same house might be available in east Van in a "bad" hood and be worth maybe close to a million today but probably much less.
2 million dollar houses sound like the west side and not sure when you could still get one for 75k, maybe in the 70's...maybe.
Does Colorado win any cups if they don't have Forsberg, if they don't get Roy (who was acquired using a piece from the Lindros trade)?
What interests me is the possibility of Lindros playing with Sundin on his wing had he stuck with Quebec. Maybe they do win the cup with those two as well as Sakic and Foote. But then, who do they bring in as goaltender? Perhaps they make a play for Hextall.
Would Quebec have traded Sundin? Not likely, considering they made the move to acquire Wendel Clark to add an element of grit that Lindros would have been able to match.
The whole thing just stinks of what ifs and it really is a shame we never got to see what could have been.
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I think the Avs still get Roy but probably don't get Deadmarsh if the Lindros trade wasn't made. Remember, Quebec had the 14th overall pick that year as well (which they had used to draft Deadmarsh). If they didn't make the trade, Philly would have 10th overall and Hextall so they probably don't take Thibault at that spot. Neither does Washington with both Carey and Kolzig. Toronto had Potvin, New Jersey had Brodeur. So Thibault probably falls to 14th where the Nordiques take him.
