S.S. Giggy
RIP 1974-2011
Salary Cap = lower ticket prices = more fans = more revenues = more money for the players. Everyone wins! Why can't greedy Bob accept that?
S.S. Giggy said:Salary Cap = lower ticket prices = more fans = more revenues = more money for the players. Everyone wins! Why can't greedy Bob accept that?
go kim johnsson said:You honestly beleive the owners are going to lower ticket prices?
Sadly, you are mistaken. If anything they will raise ticket prices to make up for the loss of games, and then keep them there.
Pepper said:Owners will always maximize their revenues, regardless of the situation. If the max revenue comes with average ticket price being at 50$, it's gonna be at 50$ when the CBA ends.
S.S. Giggy said:Salary Cap = lower ticket prices = more fans = more revenues = more money for the players. Everyone wins! Why can't greedy Bob accept that?
You're very right, and with most arenas having attendance at 80-100%, we can conclude that ticket prices won't decrease significantly if at all. However with this long lockout and the possible loss of a good number of fans, if the arenas become half empty, I'm telling you that pretty graph for max revenues is going to point to 80% attendance and prices reduced by 30-50%Pepper said:Both of you are mistaken.
Owners will always maximize their revenues, regardless of the situation. If the max revenue comes with average ticket price being at 50$, it's gonna be at 50$ when the CBA ends.
CBA is all about costs, the revenue will stay as it is while the costs will be brought down (assuming there won't be any revenue sharing).
chriss_co said:Maybe the owners won't cut ticket prices... but until then we can't speculate on what they are going to do...
also.. take a look at the gate revenue thread... there are two interesting teams i saw on there... chicago and the islanders both have very high ticket prices (well avg ticket prices) yet their avg attendance is 13000...... why would owners charge such high ticket prices if noone is going to the game?!?! there is something else driving up ticket prices
also, a salary cap does not mean every team will be equal... does the NFL have every team hovering around .500? no... and id rather have close games every night than consistent blowouts by teams located in larger markets
chriss_co said:and id rather have close games every night than consistent blowouts by teams located in larger markets
DementedReality said:well, this lock out has nothing to do with competitive balance. the league is close as it is, more than half the league has reached the final 4 in the last 10 years.
PecaFan said:That's a lovely sounding stat, but it's completely worthless. "Final 4" sounds so important, yet it only means you've won two playoff rounds. *Halfway* to the Cup. Getting halfway to the Cup once in 10 years is "competitive"? Hardly.
The actual number of final four appearances:
Col 6 (two Cups)
Det 5 (three Cups)
NJD 4 (three Cups)
Phi 4
Dal 3 (one Cup)
Buf 2
Pit 2
Tor 2
Ana 1
Cgy 1
Car 1
Chi 1
Fla 1
Min 1
NYR 1
Ott 1
Stl 1
SJS 1
Tam 1 (one Cup)
Wsh 1
Atl 0
Bos 0
CBJ 0
Edm 0
LAK 0
Mtl 0
Nsh 0
NYI 0
Phx 0
Van 0
I defy anyone to look at that list and say this league is "balanced" and has parity the last 10 years. That's a league *dominated* by five teams, with a couple also rans.
DementedReality said:DET, COL, NJD, DAL, CGY, BUF, WSH, ANA, TPY, FLA, CAR, VAN, and NYR have all made the finals since 1994. Thats almost half the league.
Too me, if you combine these two lists, it means every team has a chance. Well DOH of course some teams have more chances, would you prefer a league where in 15 years, each team makes the finals once ?
go kim johnsson said:And obviously there are 20 NHL teams who did not make any money last season, they're all going to raise prices because of the money they're not making right now. And they can come out to the fans with a perfect excuse.
And some people will be stupid enough and say "oh, ok, we'll accept this ticket hike."
DementedReality said:DET, COL, NJD, DAL, CGY, BUF, WSH, ANA, TPY, FLA, CAR, VAN, and NYR have all made the finals since 1994. Thats almost half the league.
Too me, if you combine these two lists, it means every team has a chance. Well DOH of course some teams have more chances, would you prefer a league where in 15 years, each team makes the finals once ?
The league is fair.
DR
PecaFan said:VAN .. NYR ..outside the 10 year range you set..
me2 said:"Fair" would involve winning it more than 1 or 2 times in 10 times for below average salary teams. "Have a chance" should mean more than "have a chance to come 2nd and disappear".
Actually DR, no you can't :lolDementedReality said:i can count, can you ?
2004 - 1994 = 10
dr
PecaFan said:That's a lovely sounding stat, but it's completely worthless. "Final 4" sounds so important, yet it only means you've won two playoff rounds. *Halfway* to the Cup. Getting halfway to the Cup once in 10 years is "competitive"? Hardly.
The actual number of final four appearances:
Col 6 (two Cups)
Det 5 (three Cups)
NJD 4 (three Cups)
Phi 4
Dal 3 (one Cup)
Buf 2
Pit 2
Tor 2
Ana 1
Cgy 1
Car 1
Chi 1
Fla 1
Min 1
NYR 1
Ott 1
Stl 1
SJS 1
Tam 1 (one Cup)
Wsh 1
Atl 0
Bos 0
CBJ 0
Edm 0
LAK 0
Mtl 0
Nsh 0
NYI 0
Phx 0
Van 0
I defy anyone to look at that list and say this league is "balanced" and has parity the last 10 years. That's a league *dominated* by five teams, with a couple also rans.
hunter1909 said:ok morons...im going to make this real simple even for you...
unless the oilers can compete with the devs avs and old wings...
i hope they blow up rexall place and disband the franchise...
id rather turn to another sport...rather than watch my team tread water forever...
i wouldnt be shocked if 10 fleeble nhl teams go bust...why shouldnt they they have no fan base its just a hoax 30 team league...
i blame janet gretzky for this mess
: p
PecaFan said:That's a lovely sounding stat, but it's completely worthless. "Final 4" sounds so important, yet it only means you've won two playoff rounds. .
Russian Fan said:It's funny that you declare this not ''BALANCE'' when everyone claims the NFL is the BEST LEAGUE for balance & here are the final 4 appearance in the last 10 years
Pittsburgh 4
Philadelphia 3
New England 3 (2003,2001)
Green Bay 3 (1996)
Dallas 2 (1995)
San Francisco 2 (1994)
St-Louis 2 (1999)
Tampa Bay 2 (2002)
Oakland 2
Tennessee 2
Minnesota 2
Carolina 2
Jacksonville 2
Indianapolis 2
Baltimore 1 (2000)
Denver 1 (1998,1997)
NYGiants 1
Atlanta 1
NYJets 1
San Diego 1
20 NFL teams out of 30/32 made it to the FINAL FOUR
vs
20 NHL teams out of 30 made it to the FINAL FOUR
what does that tell you ? that's it's not a cap that gives you the competitive balance you wish for.
In the NFL here are those who didn't make it once in the final four in the last 10 years :
Arizona - They stink since ....forever
Buffalo - They had their glory just before that decade
Chicago - They had 1 good year in the last 10.
Cincinnati - They stink since ....forever
Detroit - They stink since ....forever
Kansas City - good team, never came to the final four
Miami - had good teams but never touch the final four.
New Orleans - Bad luck ?
Seattle - Just start to become something after more than a decade of suckiness
Washington - Tough management ?
In the NHL here are those who didn't make it once in the final four in the last 10 years :
Atlanta - EXPANSION TEAM
Boston - BAD MANAGEMENT & PROFITABILITY was a priority.
Columbus - EXPANSION TEAM
Edmonton - BAD MANAGEMENT !
Los Angeles - Since 1993 nothing came close.
Montréal - BAD MANAGEMENT !
Nashville - EXPANSION TEAM
NYIslanders - BAD MANAGEMENT !
Phoenix - BAD MANAGEMENT !
Vancouver - Just start to click for the last 2-3 years.
Now what are the difference between the NFL or the NHL? NOTHING !!!! They are both COMPETITIVE & saying otherwise is pure blindness.
S.S. Giggy said:Salary Cap = lower ticket prices = more fans = more revenues = more money for the players. Everyone wins! Why can't greedy Bob accept that?