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If you still wanted to do this, I'd be down to share my picks that were available at the sens positions in the draft. Did you want to make a separate thread?
It'd be a cool experiment to look back at in 5-10 years, like a time capsule
This is just an appeal to authority.
While the response to the picks yesterday - Tkachuk in particular - may be annoying or frustrating to some in light of the overwhelming negativity that's surrounded the team in recent weeks, I don't think fans should just shrug their shoulders and blindly defend the decisions of the scouting department either. Although the team has had a pretty good track record with mid and late round picks over the years, they have a much more checkered history with their first round picks. This is the same team that has selected Jared Cowen, Stefan Noesen, Matt Puempel, Cody Ceci, and Curtis Lazar in the first round, and Andreas Englund with their first pick in the second when the team had no first.
It's fair if you're tired of the consistent negativity, but I don't think this is a reasonable response.
Who said anything about scouting hundreds of players? This thread undoubtedly made as a response to people criticizing the Tkachuk selection at #4 overall. I have watched far more than a few games of Tkachuk in making the determination that he was a bad pick at 4th OVR, and I'm sure most people on this forum have done the same, given that he played 7 games at the World Juniors.
Your argument would be better suited for someone trashing the scouting staff for drafting an overager from the NAHL and a kid from Minnesota high-school, not a kid who has been projected as a top 5 pick for two years now and who most people have seen plenty of.
Our scouts thought Lazar and Bowers were good picks. They are far from infallible.
In terms of the Tkachuk pick, my feeling on it is that Brady Tkachuk's skillset is not as valuable in today's NHL as it was in the early 2000s, and that fans talking about him squashing an opposing star player and then scoring a dirty goal are still caught in the old Sens - Leafs playoff series. That just doesn't happen with any frequency any more.
Now we just need Kuznetzov, Backstrom and Ovechkin, A couple of their D , a goalie and we're all setDid you happen to catch any of the Capitals games this post season? Tom Wilson was an integral part of their success and Brady Tkachuk has a hell of alot more skill than Tom Wilson.
Hundred percent not infallible. But our pick has been made. Why is there so much moaning and groaning still. Wait and see. If he’s shit. You’ll all be validated. If not. You can be wrong AND happy at the same time. Our scouts thought he was the best player available. That’s it. Now wait.Our scouts thought Lazar and Bowers were good picks. They are far from infallible.
What was your reaction to when the Sens drafted CeciHundred percent not infallible. But our pick has been made. Why is there so much moaning and groaning still. Wait and see. If he’s ****. You’ll all be validated. If not. You can be wrong AND happy at the same time. Our scouts thought he was the best player available. That’s it. Now wait.
Our scouts thought Lazar and Bowers were good picks. They are far from infallible.
Didn’t have much of a reaction. I didn’t watch him every game. I saw some games. People that watched him much more than me said it was a good pick. Others told me he couldnt crack it at the next level. So I waited. And I saw. And here I am.What was your reaction to when the Sens drafted Ceci
Draisaitl going 3rd overall shows the weakness in this draft.
We could have had Nick Ritchie if we had our pick. Too bad.
If we are trading with the blues, we have to add to Spezza to make it interesting
Spezza + Stone + Wiercioch for Shwartz + 1st + Rattie
Snow really feels like he's growing into the job. Really like the job he's been doing lately.
Arizona is killing this draft, just got Mayo.
Perlini
MacInnis
Dvorak
Karlsson
Bunting
Mayo
I think scouts end up building emotional attachments to some players and it hampers their objectivity.
And Barry trotzNow we just need Kuznetzov, Backstrom and Ovechkin, A couple of their D , a goalie and we're all set
That we probably should have taken maattaWhat was your reaction to when the Sens drafted Ceci
From the 2014 Draft thread.
As the other poster said, groupthink is stronger in smaller groups and communities. The scouting community is tiny. If "everyone" thinks Player X is a hotdog goofball soon to be washout, but you like him, are you willing to speak your mind? Conversely if everyone likes Cody Ceci are you going to be the guy that says you think he's mediocre? How many fallacies like this do teams fall into and are they sophisticated enough to have practices in place to mitigate against them? I'd think not since most the people involved have a high school education, at best, with no real training in psychology or predictive analytics. Even scouts don't watch all games/teams are susceptible to biases against certain leagues, can have blind spots etc. I'd wager that an intelligent poster that was given the time/money to watch just as much hockey would fare as well as most scouts. Wasn't Randy Lee just a guy off the street?
This appeal to authority argument is absurd. This isn't rocket science. You don't have to have a PhD in amateur scouting to watch these draft eligibles and have your own opinion regarding their potential.
The Sens scouting scouting staff is, for the most part, excellent in identifying talent. They are one of the best scouting staffs in the league, but this doesn't mean they are excellent in every regard. They have blind spots just like everyone else.
One of those blind spots is their tendency to draft "safe", low-upside players with good intangibles and mature defensive games in the 1st round, passing on players with more potential to do so. They did this with Cowen in 2009, Lazar in 2013, White in 2015, Bowers in 2017 and now Tkachuk in 2017. I'd prefer they take players with higher offensive upside and focus less on their defensive game, intangibles, etc... like when they selected Karlsson in 2008, Zibanejad/Puempel in 2011, Chabot in 2015 and Brown in 2016.