Who's had the best season since the 04-05 lockout?

[nwaZ*]

It's easy to chose the guy with the highest point totals, and that may be it (Thornton had 125 pts in 05-06), but I am wondering if anyone has beat Ovechkin's 07-08 where he scored 65 goals + 47 assists to a total of 112 pts.

What do you think?

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[Appleyard]

Its difficult.

Ovechkin: 2007-08
Crosby: 2006-07
Thornton: 2005-06
Malkin: 2011-12

are the top 4. But the order is hard to discern... probably Ovechkin is #1 just because of how relative to his peers he scored goals, I mean, there is a great argument that his season that year was top 5 ever in terms of goals.

My choice for 5th best is probably Jagrs 2005-06... that was a ridiculous individual year that is overshadowed due to Thorntons.

 

[Terry Yake]

I'd put Ovie's 07-08 season at #1

Thornton's 05-06 after that followed by Jagr's 05-06

Crosby in 06-07 is in my top 5 as well

 

[RaindanceMaggie]

Ovechkin in 07-08 or Thornton's 05-06

 

[Beauner]

It's too bad Crosby got hurt in 2011. That was shaping up to be legendary.

 

[izzy]

The 65 goals is insane, but Thornton putting up 96 assists with 125 points blows my mind.

96 assists... Take out his 23 games before the trade and he still led the league in assists.

 

[nwaZ*]

Its difficult.

Ovechkin: 2007-08
Crosby: 2006-07
Thornton: 2005-06
Malkin: 2011-12

are the top 4. But the order is hard to discern... probably Ovechkin is #1 just because of how relative to his peers he scored goals, I mean, there is a great argument that his season that year was top 5 ever in terms of goals.

My choice for 5th best is probably Jagrs 2005-06... that was a ridiculous individual year that is overshadowed due to Thorntons.

A lot of players had a great year in 05-06. Ovie himself scored +100 pts. The new rules being enforced quite strictly gave the players lots of PP.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

I'd put Ovie's 07-08 season at #1

Thornton's 05-06 after that followed by Jagr's 05-06

Crosby in 06-07 is in my top 5 as well

Probably Ovie. Though Jagr's 05-06 is more impressive to me than Thornton's. 2 point difference but huge age difference and the Rangers sucked.

Thornton was about 25 putting up 125 points. Jagr was 33 scoring 54 goals and 123 points. One guy in his prime taking advantage of newly enforced rules and another guy taking advantage to prove just how dominant he's always been.

 

[ProspectsSTC]

Probably Ovie. Though Jagr's 05-06 is more impressive to me than Thornton's. 2 point difference but huge age difference and the Rangers sucked.

Thornton was about 25 putting up 125 points. Jagr was 33 scoring 54 goals and 123 points. One guy in his prime taking advantage of newly enforced rules and another guy taking advantage to prove just how dominant he's always been.

The Rangers had more points than both the Sharks and the Bruins, how did they suck?

Although I do agree that due to age, it was more impressive.

 

[livewell68]

A lot of players had a great year in 05-06. Ovie himself scored +100 pts. The new rules being enforced quite strictly gave the players lots of PP.

Which is fine but yet only 2 players scored more than 110 Pts that season and nothing can take away from what Thornton and Jagr accomplished that season.

Also the very next year, scoring levels, especially powerplay scoring levels were not that much less than they were the year prior.

So if people want to discredit Thornton and Jagr for putting up 123+ Pts then they should as well Crosby in 2006-07 for putting up 120 Pts and doing it while scoring 61 of his 120 Pts on the powerplay. After all, there were 7 100 Pts scorers in 2005-06, and 14 total 90 Pts scorers in 2005-06 while there were 7 100 Pts scorers in 2006-07 and 14 90 Pts scorers in 2006-07.

For me the top 5 would be:

1. Jaromir Jagr, 54 goals and 69 assists for 123 Pts (2005-06)
2. Alex Ovechkin, 65 goals, 47 assists for 112 Pts (2007-08)
3. Joe Thornton, 29 goals, 96 assists for 125 Pts (2005-06)
4. Evgeni Malkin, 50 goals, 59 assist for 109 Pts (2011-12)
5. Sidney Crosby, 36 goals, 84 assists for 120 Pts (2006-07)

HM: to Joe Thornton in 2006-07, Ovechkin in 2005-06 (he scored 50 as a rookie and finished 3rd in league scoring), Ovechkin in 2009-10, Malkin in 2008-09, Henrik Sedin in 2009-10, Stamkos in 2011-12, Crosby in 2013-14 and Lecavalier in 2006-07.

 

[The Macho King]

Ovi's 65 goals is #1 for me.

 

[SouthWest]

Probably Ovie. Though Jagr's 05-06 is more impressive to me than Thornton's. 2 point difference but huge age difference and the Rangers sucked.

The sharks were worse than the rangers...... so i don't know why that even played into your mind

Also Thornton allow cheechoo to score 200% more goals than he did the season prior. It was an amazing year for Joe.

I'm a coin flip between thornton 05-06 and ovie 07-08, both are equally impressive in my mind, but for different reasons.

 

[nwaZ*]

Are we fine with taking international play into account too?

That'd make a slight difference for Malkin I think, his WHC performance in 11-12 was the most majestic I've seen in my life. Sheer dominance.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

The Rangers had more points than both the Sharks and the Bruins, how did they suck?

Although I do agree that due to age, it was more impressive.

Well the Bruins were the 4th or 5th worst team in the NHL that year so I'm not seeing their relevance. The Rangers finished 1 point above the Sharks, 6th in the East and no one had expected it. That was Lundqvist's first season and without him they'd have been sunk.

I mean the Sharks and Rangers were right on par with each other overall that year but the Rangers roster was pretty awful.

http://m.hkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXNYRXX2006.html&t=all_skaters

The Sharks roster wasn't great either but it had a lot more talent that is still at least somewhat relevant today

http://m.hkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXSJSXX2006.html&t=all_skaters

As a Rangers fan I just thought that team sucked and we sucked until the youth movement started with Girardi, Cally, Dubi, Staal. We were the NY Jagrqvists. In the end it's more age that made Jagr's more impressive than Thornton but I don't think the Rangers roster that he put those numbers up on was very good either.

 

[amnesiac]

taking playoffs into consideration, Malkin's 08-09 may be #1, followed by 07-08 Ovie and 06-07 Crosby

HM. Thomas 09-10 and Quick 11-12

05-06 season had inflated numbers because of the PPs. I can just imagine what Crosby, Ovie, Malkin could have done that year with 2-3 seasons under their belt.

 

[livewell68]

The Rangers had more points than both the Sharks and the Bruins, how did they suck?

Although I do agree that due to age, it was more impressive.

The Rangers played in the easier conference but they were also overall a much weaker team than the Sharks were.

That 2005-06 Rangers team was supposed to contend for a lottery pick and were picked by a few pundits to finish 30th overall. Although Lundqvist played a role, it was Jagr's play and how he dominated that helped the Rangers be as good as they were that season.

Getting 96 assists is great and all but it also means that you had to have players that were good enough to scorers to convert those passes into goals.

Jagr's goal edge (54 goals) to Thornton's (29 goals) should have been enough to swing the Hart vote towards Jagr but then again we all know that the Nationality of each player had something to do with the final result.

Another thing to consider is that Jagr was the only player that season that finished top 3 in both goals and assists, his 69 assists being a phenomenal accomplishment on its own as the Rangers had one other 30 goal scorer (rookie Prucha got 30 exactly) while the Sharks had 2 players who scored 30 + goals and Thornton finished 3rd on his team in goals.

The Sharks had 3 players in the top 20 in scoring while Jagr was the only Ranger to feature in the top 20 and Nylander was the closest at # 30.

Jagr won his team's scoring title by 44 Pts, Thornton won his by 32. Jagr led his team in every single major offensive category.

No one was more valauble to his team than Jagr was that season and last time I checked, the Hart trophy went to the player judged to be the most valuable to his team.

 

[Plural]

Ovechkin and his 65 goals was pretty awesome. Not only cause of the goals. But he was a freight train too. Being the best offensive player in the world while being probably the most physical at the same time is awesome.

Impressiveness, Jagr's season is right up there too. Crosby's sophomore season is also a good candidate.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

The sharks were worse than the rangers...... so i don't know why that even played into your mind

Also Thornton allow cheechoo to score 200% more goals than he did the season prior. It was an amazing year for Joe.

One point separated the teams. How much "worse" were they? Also that was all rookie Lundqvist; we weren't even supposed to make the playoffs, let alone finish 6th. Either way I'm not taking anything away from Joe. I didn't say San Jose didn't suck. I just said the Rangers roster did. They were both incredible seasons. I think Jagr being 33 and scoring 54/123 is a hair more impressive.

 

[livewell68]

05-06 season had inflated numbers because of the PPs

07-08 Ovie and 06-07 Crosby are 1-2 for me.

Look at the numbers I just showed on top, 2005-06 and 2006-07 were not that different.

Remove Jagr and Thornton from the equation in 2005-06 and the NHL's leading scorer has 106 Pts. Remove Crosby from the equation in 2006-07 and the NHL's leading scorer has 114 Pts followed by another played with 108 Pts.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Time to get laughed at. Pavel Datsyuk's 2007 - 2008 was the best season for a forward in my opinion. He had the best possession season by a forward in those years (Not including Zetterberg), he drew a ridiculous ratio of penalties, played against other teams better players and he put up 97 points in 82 games. On top of that he had an amazing playoffs and was the top player on Detroit.

 

[Plural]

The Rangers played in the easier conference but they were also overall a much weaker team than the Sharks were.

That 2005-06 Rangers team was supposed to contend for a lottery pick and were picked by a few pundits to finish 30th overall. Although Lundqvist played a role, it was Jagr's play and how he dominated that helped the Rangers be as good as they were that season.

Getting 96 assists is great and all but it also means that you had played that were good enough to scorer to convert those passes into goals.

Jagr's goal edge (54 goals) to Thornton's (29 goals) should have been enough to swing the Hart vote towards Jagr but then again we all know that the Nationality of each player had something to do with the final result.

Another thing to consider is that Jagr was the only player that season that finished top 3 in both goals and assists, his 69 assists being a phenomenal accomplishment on its own as the Rangers had one other 30 goal scorer (rookie Prucha got 30 exactly) while the Sharks had 2 players who scored 30 + goals and Thornton finished 3rd on his team in goals.

The Sharks had 3 players in the top 20 in scoring while Jagr was the only Ranger to feature in the top 20 and Nylander was the closest at # 30.

Jagr won his team scoring title by 44 Pts, Thornton won his by 32. Jagr led his team in every single major offensive category.

No one was more valauble to his team than Jagr was that season and last time I checked, the Hart trophy went to the player judged to be the most valuable to his team.

Good points. Thornton surely was the catalyst on that Sharks team and he deserved his due. But it feels to me that Jagr was the guy that season. Being the catalyst on the Rangers team and as a guy who values goal-scoring, there is just something in that season that looks better to me than Joe's.

I'm not all bent out of shape due to the voting. But I would have liked to see the Hart to go for Jagr.

 

[Plural]

Time to get laughed at. Pavel Datsyuk's 2007 - 2008 was the best season for a forward in my opinion. He had the best possession season by a forward in those years (Not including Zetterberg), he drew a ridiculous ratio of penalties, played against other teams better players and he put up 97 points in 82 games. On top of that he had an amazing playoffs and was the top player on Detroit.

Nothing to be laughed at in this. I know it's a controversial opinion and I don't share it with you. But it's not like you are taking some bum and saying he was great. No, Dats was playing on a Hall of Fame level.

 

[livewell68]

Time to get laughed at. Pavel Datsyuk's 2007 - 2008 was the best season for a forward in my opinion. He had the best possession season by a forward in those years (Not including Zetterberg), he drew a ridiculous ratio of penalties, played against other teams better players and he put up 97 points in 82 games. On top of that he had an amazing playoffs and was the top player on Detroit.

Although Jagr has never been in Datsyuk's league defensively, Jagr's puck possession game was far more impressive than Datsyuk's.

If someone can post them, I would be interested to see who's had the best possession stats since 2004-05. I would wager that Jagr's 2005-06 season would be pretty close to the top if not at the top. No one drew more penalties than Jagr did in 2005-06, with the way the game was called, the only way you were going to strip the 6'3, 245 lbs player from the puck is by obstructing him.

While on possession numbers, I would also wager that Jagr's 2006-07 season is pretty high up in possession numbers too.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Although Jagr has never been in Datsyuk's league defensively, Jagr's puck possession game was far more impressive than Datsyuk's.

If someone can post them, I would be interested to see who's had the best possession stats since 2004-05. I would wager that Jagr's 2005-06 season would be pretty close to the top if not at the top. No one drew more penalties than Jagr did in 2005-06, with the way the game was called, the only way you were going to strip the 6'3, 245 lbs player from the puck is by obstructing him.

While on possession numbers, I would also wager that Jagr's 2006-07 season is pretty high up in possession numbers too.

Malkin 11-12 08-09 Crosby 06-07 and 09-10 13-14. And all of ovechkins peak years are better than jagrs 05-06 season

 

[Plural]

Malkin 11-12 08-09 Crosby 06-07 and 09-10 13-14. And all of ovechkins peak years are better than jagrs 05-06 season

Simply just no to the bolded. Maybe, maybe you could argue them in to the same ball-park. But not clear cut better.