dakota
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19bruins19 said:On "Off the Record", they had Turco, Hurme, Staios, and Harvey. I forgot which one, but someone said if a player were to cross, he would never be in the NHLPA ever again.
what if 400 crossed?
19bruins19 said:On "Off the Record", they had Turco, Hurme, Staios, and Harvey. I forgot which one, but someone said if a player were to cross, he would never be in the NHLPA ever again.
19bruins19 said:On "Off the Record", they had Turco, Hurme, Staios, and Harvey. I forgot which one, but someone said if a player were to cross, he would never be in the NHLPA ever again.
19bruins19 said:On "Off the Record", they had Turco, Hurme, Staios, and Harvey. I forgot which one, but someone said if a player were to cross, he would never be in the NHLPA ever again.
Smail said:They can't refuse anyone in the NHLPA...
Kryoptix said:The 1st to cross will be AHLer borderline NHLer ...
but IMO the 1st start to cross would be Kovalchuk
Kryoptix said:The 1st to cross will be AHLer borderline NHLer ...
but IMO the 1st start to cross would be Kovalchuk
pei fan said:1)If the NHL does start with replacement players, which PA players are likely to
abandon the union and sign with NHL teams.If you like state reason why.
2)Also how many would it take for the floodgates to open?
3)Which one player would have the most potential to "open the floodgates"(don't
list players that are hard-core union)?
Answer any or all of the above.
I would have said Roenick before his standing in front of the whole players meeting and apologizing for his last actions and comments .. I think to have any credibility with the NHLPA and his fellow team-mates he might be the last one to cross now ..monkey_00 said:
(3) It will be someone non-Canadian.......on a U.S.-based NHL club like Philadelphia Flyers......I can see a core group of them like Roenick, Primeau and Brashear crossing the line and urging the rest of their team-mates to follow suite.
The Messenger said:I would have said Roenick before his standing in front of the whole players meeting and apologizing for his last actions and comments .. I think to have any credibility with the NHLPA and his fellow team-mates he might be the last one to cross now ..
The fact that you are thrown out of the PA Union if you cross should stop most and the fact that Agents face disipline from the PA as well for negotiating a Replacement player contract of a NHLPA member ..
I think it could be Yashin or Jagr maybe Holik .. They have long term NHL deals and may cross to get some of that money back ..
It would be very risky for any high profile big contact player to cross.monkey_00 said:The Messenger.........
Doesn"t matter.........I still think Roenick is a high candidate for crossing the line first even though he apologized to the members of the NHLPA.........what happens if we get to next October and still no NHL hockey?.........then what huh?..........Goodenow and people like him (player agents) have ruined the NHL game...........I just have this sneaky felling in my gut that Roenick will be one of the first guys (if not the first) to cross over.
The Messenger said:It would be very risky for any high profile big contact player to cross.
monkey_00 said:(3) It will be someone non-Canadian.......on a U.S.-based NHL club like Philadelphia Flyers......I can see a core group of them like Roenick, Primeau and Brashear crossing the line and urging the rest of their team-mates to follow suite.
Soon after Montana crossed the NFLPA decertified and the restrictive CBA was abolished and former NFL players won millions in Anti-trust suits ..Roots73 said:Joe Montana turned the tide when he crossed the picket lines during NFL players strike back in the 80's. Who would be the equivalent in the NHL lockout??
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The Messenger said:Soon after Montana crossed the NFLPA decertified and the restrictive CBA was abolished and former NFL players won millions in Anti-trust suits ..
Despite the Montana crossing the Fines and penalties inforced by the courts as much as 3 times the amount the players where out of pocket forced the owners now playing without any CBA back to the table and worked out a very favourable CBA to the players to stop all the lawsuits ..
SO what is seemed like NFL win ..turned out to be a loss in the long term ..
The NHL is ripe for this to happen again because players Salaries will change drastically OLD CBA to NEW CBA and then the courts will need to get involved for fans to see Hockey Again ..
How do you see the 300 mil in fines and penalties a win for the NHL Owners ??dakota said:im sure the NHL will spend the 300 million as the NFL did to settle these cases... besides if majority players cross the line and every indication they have shown us (playing in Europe, UHL etc) shows us they care about themselves first, the NHL will be back. If you consider the NFL case a "loss" then I am sure the owners would gladly take this case.
Smail said:Here is a list of guys I wouldn't be surprised to see crossing the picket lines (if there are any... haha that would be so funny):
Mike Modano
Jeremy Roenick
Dany Heatley
Robert Esche
Mark Recchi
Chris Pronger
Jarome Iginla
Shane Doan
Mike Ribeiro
Pierre Dagenais
Steve Begin
Sydney Crosby
The Messenger said:How do you see the 300 mil in fines and penalties a win for the NHL Owners ??
If you do the math 42.5 (Owners) - verses a 45.0 settlement = 2.5 X 30 teams = 75 Mil per year .. X 6 year deal = $450 Mil total ..
That is numbers based on all 30 teams spending every penny of the 45.0 suggested CBA cap figure that would get a deal done ..
$ 300 mil (guaranteed) in fines or $450 (worst case ) in max money..
Which is the better option ...??
and the NFL also did not get their CBA self impossed (IMPASSE CBA), but had to come to meet the players in a more player friendly CBA ...
SO that could mean the NHL could pay the $300 mil in Fines and then still end up at a 45.0 mil Hard Cap CBA eventually with/without Linkage..
The NFL has a huge Revenue Sharing TV deal that makes it work .. The NHL does not have that and it will be probem if the NHL thinks the outcome will be the same .. IMOdakota said:Because they will get their system they want (probably a lower salary cap... say 32 million and all the systemic changes they want)... increasing the values of their franchises... and capping the player salaries at percentage of revenues - 300 million is not that much if they get that (they have that war chest remember)... the NFL did the same thing.