Who Should Ottawa Buy Out, White or Murray?

[Micklebot]

LTIR is worst case. 15M out of the budget the next 2 years for someone who isn’t playing.

It's worth noting that if he can't play due to injury, a buyout is not possible so it becomes a moot point (unless he gets/is cleared then gets injured again and ends up on LTIR).

 

[Golden_Jet]

LTIR doesn’t gain anything when your 7 million below cap. LTIR gives you more budget when your up against the cap, not far below.
Hard ta say on insurance for Murray, if he qualified.

 

[Xspyrit]

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Only Colin White's buyout is worth it. Murray's buy out is not (unless there's problems in the room because of him)

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[NewEraGM]

White + OTT 1st for CGY 1st + 2nd MTL

 

[Hale The Villain]

Buying out Murray is pointless given his backloaded contract and age.

I'd rather keep him next season and hope that he can rebound. Not sold on Forsberg or Gustavsson quite yet.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

There's a chance his injury isn't covered by insurance since he had concussion issues prior to us signing him. We used to have some threads that went in depth on how the insurance worked, but they didn't get migrated to the new servers it seems, but from memory:

-The league takes out a contract for the whole league to keep costs down.

-Teams pay a premium based on 5% of their 5 highest paid players.

-Teams are free to allocate coverage to 5 or more players.

-Max coverage is 80%, but if you opt to cover more than 5 players it is reduced proportionately

-Insurer can exclude pre-existing condions from coverage.

Coverage for concussions is/was a major issue wrt insurance a while ago, there was talks that insurers might exclude concussions outright and not just in pre-existing situations, not sure what happened there but I imagine the NHL worked something out to maintain at least some coverage.

I have doubts that Melnyk signed a guy for that money and wasn’t eligible for insurance.

 

[Cosmix]

They're gonna buy out White. Probably after the weekend.

I assume Dorion is trying to trade Murray, White, Del Zotto and Zaitsev during the next few weeks; however, I am not confident he will be able to do that without taking something bad back, retaining some salary, or giving away some assets (picks, prospects & roster players).

 

[Xspyrit]

White + OTT 1st for CGY 1st + 2nd MTL

Wait, is this?

Colin White
7th OA pick

for

26th OA pick
33rd OA pick


This is absolutely awful for Ottawa, the worst waste of a 7th OA pick you could imagine

Buying out Colin White only costs a near minimum NHL salary per season, why would you need to do that?

 

[Sun God Nika]

Wait, is this?

Colin White
7th OA pick

for

26th OA pick
33rd OA pick


This is absolutely awful for Ottawa, the worst waste of a 7th OA pick you could imagine

Buying out Colin White only costs a near minimum NHL salary per season, why would you need to do that?

Team can’t justify they are trying to win if they make a trade like that

 

[NewEraGM]

Wait, is this?

Colin White
7th OA pick

for

26th OA pick
33rd OA pick


This is absolutely awful for Ottawa, the worst waste of a 7th OA pick you could imagine

Buying out Colin White only costs a near minimum NHL salary per season, why would you need to do that?

They would probably just draft another Tyler Boucher though

 

[Xspyrit]

They would probably just draft another Tyler Boucher though

Well, I would much rather have Greig and Jarventie than Boucher, that's for sure, while getting rid of a contract too lol

 

[swiftwin]

Neither

 

[Micklebot]

I have doubts that Melnyk signed a guy for that money and wasn’t eligible for insurance.

That's possible, but It would be an exclusion for one pre-existing condition, not insurance writ large. I'm not sure Melnyk would get into the weeds of a signing deep enough to review the insurance coverage.

 

[2CHAINZ]

We should buy out Dorion for signing both White and Murray

 

[Sweatred]

We should buy out Dorion for signing both White and Murray

Did you like other of those contracts ? Which ones did you criticize ?

 

[2CHAINZ]

Did you like other of those contracts ? Which ones did you criticize ?

I said white was a gamble that could work out as a + for the sens. I didn't love it but I didn't hate it now it is a flop. Murray contract I thought was insanely stupid from the jump. I thought the trade for Murray was bad then when he gave him that contract I thought he was insane. Murray was so bad it made no sense to do what Dorion did.

 

[Cosmix]

White + OTT 1st for CGY 1st + 2nd MTL

Why?

 

[Xspyrit]

We should buy out Dorion for signing both White and Murray

If that was possible, I'd like to start the funding with a 1000$ contribution.

Actually, can we start a go fund me? We throw millions at Melnyk daughters, only one condition.

 

[2CHAINZ]

If that was possible, I'd like to start the funding with a 1000$ contribution.

Actually, can we start a go fund me? We throw millions at Melnyk daughters, only one condition.

Due to my net worth being down a gazillion dollars atm I will not be contributing money, but will offer my services in removing Dorion from the building with as much force as necessary.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Why?

 

[NewEraGM]

White + Murray + 7th overall for 33rd overall

Clears about 10M in cap space

 

[Golden_Jet]

White + Murray + 7th overall for 33rd overall

Clears about 10M in cap space

No

 

[GCK]

I have doubts that Melnyk signed a guy for that money and wasn’t eligible for insurance.

You can insure a contract with an exception regarding recurrence if previous injuries. Nathan Horton’s contract was insured except against further back injury, which is why the Leafs were able to take him and unload Clarkson to Columbus. Leafs didn’t care about the cash they just wanted rid of Clarkson.

 

[Stylizer1]

White + Murray + 7th overall for 33rd overall

Clears about 10M in cap space

we dont need the cap space

 

[DJB]

Trading our only currency in a high draft pick to unload Murray is not something I want to see. Buy him out or bury him in the minors.

Our only hope is growth through the draft as we can’t sign anyone. We cannot give up high picks for nothing