Who scores 100 points first?

[PeterForsberg]

MacKinnon vs Matthews

Who hits 100 points first?

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[Laineux]

You didn't even bother to put an option on "neither"?

I'm extremely unconfident in predicting either of them ever hitting 100 points.

 

[Ctrain2k]

MacKinnon almost hit 100 this year Matthews hasn’t even hit 70

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Neither. But if I have to pick one it’s Mack as he has at least come close.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

MacKinnon was on pace to do it last year, but I'm not sure if that was a career year or if that's what we can expect from him going forward.

Matthews still has to show more of a playmaking touch for me to pencil him in for 100+ points. Otherwise, he'll have to score in the 60 goal range to reach 100 points, as so far he hasn't been more than a 40 or less assist guy.

 

[TheMule93]

Slim chance either does, but Mackinnon is more dynamic offensively. OTOH Matthews has more support in Toronto. Idk. I say Mackinnon

 

[ricky0034]

neither of them

 

[M.C.G. 31]

MacKinnon had 97 in 74 this past season, so I'll say him. He was a monster this year.

I never suspected Matthews would score that many. I see him as an elite 90-point player that can play both ends in his prime.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Mackinnon scores 97

'neither will ever hit 100'

Some of you are incredible

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Mackinnon scores 97

'neither will ever hit 100'

Some of you are incredible

This year was a weirdly high scoring year and MacKinnon shot high percentage. His team also got the most power plays in the NHL.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Mackinnon scores 97

'neither will ever hit 100'

Some of you are incredible

For all we know, last year could have been MacKinnon's career year. We'll see this season whether that was the case, or whether MacKinnon's going to be a perennial 95+ point player.

 

[Pi]

The way the Leafs play and hand out minutes, it would take a miracle for Matthews to hit 100 points. Adding Tavares makes it even less likely that he would ever hit 100. I can see high 80s and low 90s if he plays with Nylander and Marleau but unless Tavares and Kadri go down for a long time and Toronto has no choice but to give Matthews 2 mins on the PP and 18-20 minutes on ES, he’s not going to hit 100.

 

[Laineux]

Mackinnon scores 97

'neither will ever hit 100'

Some of you are incredible

97 isn't 100 so as we see it's not a guarantee that MacKinnon hits it even in a year with suspiciously high oish percentages at 5vs5 and PP.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

MacKinnon was on pace to do it last year, but I'm not sure if that was a career year or if that's what we can expect from him going forward.

Matthews still has to show more of a playmaking touch for me to pencil him in for 100+ points. Otherwise, he'll have to score in the 60 goal range to reach 100 points, as so far he hasn't been more than a 40 or less assist guy.

He’s playmaking touch would be showcased more if he wasn’t playing with zach stone hands Hyman for the last 2 years

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

For all we know, last year could have been MacKinnon's career year. We'll see this season whether that was the case, or whether MacKinnon's going to be a perennial 95+ point player.

Id bet a lot that a 22 year old didnt have his career year

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

The way the Leafs play and hand out minutes, it would take a miracle for Matthews to hit 100 points. Adding Tavares makes it even less likely that he would ever hit 100. I can see high 80s and low 90s if he plays with Nylander and Marleau but unless Tavares and Kadri go down for a long time and Toronto has no choice but to give Matthews 2 mins on the PP and 18-20 minutes on ES, he’s not going to hit 100.

Thats because Babcock is an absolute moron and gives lesser players more TOI

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Thats because Babcock is an absolute moron and gives lesser players more TOI

It’s called rolling 4 lines. Or at the very least 3 with comparable ice time

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

It’s called rolling 4 lines. Or at the very least 3 with comparable ice time

So Matthews should get equal playing time as lesser players?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Id bet a lot that a 22 year old didnt have his career year

Crosby's career high in points came at 19. Ovechkin's career high in points came at age 22. Malkin's career high in points came at age 22. Stamkos' career high in points came at age 21.

It's not uncommon for elite scorers to have their best years (statistically) at 22 or younger.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

So Matthews should get equal playing time as lesser players?

I wouldn’t do it but I wouldn’t say it’s moronic. Now Matthews not being on PP1 that’s a different story.

 

[CanadienShark]

MacKinnon.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Crosby's career high in points came at 19. Ovechkin's career high in points came at age 22. Malkin's career high in points came at age 22. Stamkos' career high in points came at age 21.

It's not uncommon for elite scorers to have their best years (statistically) at 22 or younger.

That is in fact uncommon.

The studied and average peak of a forward is 26-28, and while there is always the chance he peaked early I would never bet against him growing further.

Not to mention Ovechkin, Malkin, and Crosby are very rare cases. Stamkos is the closest comparable.

 

[ole ole]

The better player ...Mack

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

That is in fact uncommon.

The studied and average peak of a forward is 26-28, and while there is always the chance he peaked early I would never bet against him growing further.

Not to mention Ovechkin, Malkin, and Crosby are very rare cases. Stamkos is the closest comparable.

I'd like to see a link to this supposed study, because all one has to do is look on hockey-reference to see what age the majority of the elite players were when they had their career high in points.

Even guys I didn't list who scored at a bit higher age, weren't far off. Tavares' career high is at 24. Thornton *just* turned 26 at season's end the year he set his career high. Jagr's career high was at age 23. Sakic was 26. Yzerman was 23. Etc.

The only players I can think of lately that had their career years later on were the Sedins. Pretty much every elite or star player I can think of had their best seasons (statistically) at or before age 26.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I'd like to see a link to this supposed study, because all one has to do is look on hockey-reference to see what age the majority of the elite players were when they had their career high in points.

Even guys I didn't list who scored at a bit higher age, weren't far off. Tavares' career high is at 24. Thornton *just* turned 26 at season's end the year he set his career high. Jagr's career high was at age 23. Sakic was 26. Yzerman was 23. Etc.

The only players I can think of lately that had their career years later on were the Sedins. Pretty much every elite or star player I can think of had their best seasons (statistically) at or before age 26.

Thanks for that. This is why I read these boards for posts like this. I had no idea that elite players peaked so early. It’s probably unique to hockey. I’m thinking that baseball players, basketball players and maybe football quarterbacks peak later but I have no evidence of that.