Who might Dubas trade first, Marner or Nylander?

[hockeyes]

Both should be traded if the price is right, I'll drive both of them to the airport.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Is this a joke?

Marner is the only player that shows emotion and plays outside his comfort levels, hes blocked more shots and saves more goals in 1games vs Nylander all season.

Also broke Leafs records for assists.
But hey let's keep the guy that almost opted out lastyear, lolol

You sound like someone who either doesn't watch games or is incredibly biased. Nylander was the much better player per dollar on the contract last year. You've got some nerve calling Nylander out about his contract negotiations and not Marner, who took the team to the cleaners for every single dollar he could get out of them.

 

[Notsince67]

Anyone thinking Dubas would be more inclined to trade Marner before Nylander needs to lay off the bud. The leafs need to fill a hole, not create new ones.

 

[Nooodles]

 

[TML Dynasty]

Neither. But also agree with whoever brings the better return. Marner currently the better player but more expensive. Nylander currently the better value. I guess if you had a gun to my head the over payment of Marner left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[AvroArrow]

Nylander at $7 million and 60-70 points

Marner at $11 million and 80-90 points

Not sure the $4 million is worth the extra 10-20 points.

Ultimately it would depend on the return. If the return made sense i think they need to. Especially if they can sign pietrangelo.

As an example to sens for tkatchuk and their 2nd. If you can get that plus pietrangelo how do you not move marner.

He was on pace for 93 points this year, had 94 points the year prior. Will likely crack 100 points in the next 2 seasons. There is a massive gap, not only in points production, but work ethic/defensive ability/the ability to control a game. I like Nylander, but it is MUCH more than a 10-20 points gap between the two. The only knock on mitch is his size. He can do everything else. PP specialist, he can PK, back check, stick check/blocks shots. His only flaw is his size/strength

 

[Notsince67]

He was on pace for 93 points this year, had 94 points the year prior. Will likely crack 100 points in the next 2 seasons. There is a massive gap, not only in points production, but work ethic/defensive ability/the ability to control a game. I like Nylander, but it is MUCH more than a 10-20 points gap between the two. The only knock on mitch is his size. He can do everything else. PP specialist, he can PK, back check, stick check/blocks shots. His only flaw is his size/strength

Relatively speaking, Nylander is a bigger guy but Marners size is overblown. He is only 5lbs lighter than Kucherov and an inch taller. He is 5lbs heavier than Panarin and an inch taller.
Just wish he was a bit meaner sometimes.

 

[ACC1224]

Not who do you want gone, but who does the golden child sacrifice for a contender?

After looking at a hundred ridiculous trade threads involving these guys I am wondering why people think KD would do one or the other. Is it based on the value to Leafs being less or more, or that other clubs might have to seize on the salary vs cap hit just to get them through the next rocky season?

For me, as players, I have no great preference between the two as their salaries are so far apart.

I honestly wouldn't want to trade Marner after this crap season. I think it will be an anomaly and he will have many much better years, and I don't think you get close to full value today hoping other teams will swallow the $10.8M for 16g so you keep MM.

But Willie can play two positions (kind of) and is a better scorer and his AAV is way less so you keep him.

Assuming Dubas decided his new big 4 had to include a D man who goes?

Dubas is the ‘golden child’ now?

 

[gabeliscious]

He was on pace for 93 points this year, had 94 points the year prior. Will likely crack 100 points in the next 2 seasons. There is a massive gap, not only in points production, but work ethic/defensive ability/the ability to control a game. I like Nylander, but it is MUCH more than a 10-20 points gap between the two. The only knock on mitch is his size. He can do everything else. PP specialist, he can PK, back check, stick check/blocks shots. His only flaw is his size/strength

If Marner has 100 point upside then I dont see why Nylander doesnt have 80 point upside. Even 75 point upside.

Im not disputing that Marner is the better player. Im suggesting given relative value per point plus cap hit plus potential return, marner should go first because the return would probably be better. With Matthews, Tavares, Nylander and Pietrangelo ( we would only need to trade Marner for AP) we can add another 50-60 point winger and probably be fine. Tavares put up points with guys like Bailey. We can probably find players in the 50+ point range that can make enough of an impact.

As an example, say we signed Pieteangelo and got a serious haul for Marner. We could look to make a johnsson for eberle type move. Isles might go for it because it saves them cap space.

Hyman. Matthews. Nylander
Mikheyev. Tavares. Eberle
Robertson. Kerfoot. Barbanov
Engvall. Xxxxxx. Xxxx.

Rielly. Pietrangelo
Muzzin. Holl
Dermott. Lehtonen

Anderson
Campbell

You may not love eberle, he is just an example but the point is i believe this is a much more balanced team. It is much easier to find a good to elite winger than a number 1 RD who is in his prime.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Nylander at $7 million and 60-70 points

Marner at $11 million and 80-90 points

Not sure the $4 million is worth the extra 10-20 points.

Ultimately it would depend on the return. If the return made sense i think they need to. Especially if they can sign pietrangelo.

As an example to sens for tkatchuk and their 2nd. If you can get that plus pietrangelo how do you not move marner.

Marner had 94 points last year, and was on pace for 93 this year, and most people think he had a bad year. So I'm not sure how you think he's an 80-90 point player. Counting is hard, I know.

And Marner is also a good PKer, and an elite PP QB. Marner's line is always the top line because he's that much better than Nylander.

Nylander doesn't even have a permanent role on this team. He just plays wherever Marner isn't.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Anyone thinking Dubas would be more inclined to trade Marner before Nylander needs to lay off the bud. The leafs need to fill a hole, not create new ones.

If this team wants to have quality Defense, you want to move Marner over Nylander. He probably gets more back in a trade and the 4 mil difference would go a long way in balancing the roster. Especially if the team wants to sign Pietro, you would ideally be moving his contract out to avoid having 4 9mil+ contracts on the roster and saving some dollars when Mo is up.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Marner had 94 points last year, and was on pace for 93 this year, and most people think he had a bad year. So I'm not sure how you think he's an 80-90 point player. Counting is hard, I know.

And Marner is also a good PKer, and an elite PP QB. Marner's line is always the top line because he's that much better than Nylander.

Nylander doesn't even have a permanent role on this team. He just plays wherever Marner isn't.

Actually no. Marner was really bad on the powerplay this season. Teams know he's not a threat to shoot from the point so when the powerplay runs through him it becomes a lot more predictable and easy to defend. He was also not a very good defensive penalty killer this season.

 

[4thline]

At 22 most Leaf fans had never heard of Doug Gilmour, he was a 50 point player in St. Louis.

The game has evolved to allow undersized offensive players to make a bigger impact earlier in their careers, but they are far from finished products. There's still time and room for not only offensive development, but a huge amount of runway in the areas of professionalism/maturity/savvy and 200 ft impact.

We can fit Pietro (or other 7 to 9 million dollar defensive upgrades) on this team without trading either, and make it work across the roster for the next two seasons. Decide then.

 

[Notsince67]

If this team wants to have quality Defense, you want to move Marner over Nylander. He probably gets more back in a trade and the 4 mil difference would go a long way in balancing the roster. Especially if the team wants to sign Pietro, you would ideally be moving his contract out to avoid having 4 9mil+ contracts on the roster and saving some dollars when Mo is up.

Lolz. You think the reason Marner plays the PK is because he is worse defensively. What a joke.

 

[genk]

Is this a joke?

Marner is the only player that shows emotion and plays outside his comfort levels, hes blocked more shots and saves more goals in 1games vs Nylander all season.

Also broke Leafs records for assists.
But hey let's keep the guy that almost opted out lastyear, lolol

Marner and Nylander had the same amount of even strength points this year l m a ooooo

 

[Maplebeasts]

Lolz. You think the reason Marner plays the PK is because he is worse defensively. What a joke.

Where in the post that you quoted did I say that?

 

[thusk]

For me asking if leafs should keep nylander or marner is the same kind of question if you asking if hawks should have keep brandon saad over patrick kane... Okay nylander is a better better plsyer tham saad waswhen he was traded but not by far.

Marner is already a 90-100 points player/ season who can reash 110+ in a good season, thats whats marner is. If i have to choose, the choice is pretty easy i choose the only one who can drive a complete line all alone

 

[thewave]

The Team is Matthews JT and not Matthews JT and Marner. He is paid way to much and it's disruptive to team building having that albatross on the books. He is the obvious choice tbh. Nylander scores more goals and as another poster has said, 20 more points @ 4million is a tough pill to swallow.

These guys are given contracts of 100pts+++ players, Nylander is overpaid 500k, pretty simple.

 

[thewave]

For me asking if leafs should keep nylander or marner is the same kind of question if you asking if hawks should have keep brandon saad over patrick kane... Okay nylander is a better better plsyer tham saad waswhen he was traded but not by far.

Marner is already a 90-100 points player/ season who can reash 110+ in a good season, thats whats marner is. If i have to choose, the choice is pretty easy i choose the only one who can drive a complete line all alone

He plays meaningless high risk hockey to get his assists. The team just plays a style that causes them to have to outscore their issues all the time. It's a terribly constructed team that is designed to pad stats and never ever win. I swear to you, for as long as I post here a Dubas constructed team will never ever come close to winning anything, ever.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Is this a joke?

Marner is the only player that shows emotion and plays outside his comfort levels, hes blocked more shots and saves more goals in 1games vs Nylander all season.

Also broke Leafs records for assists.
But hey let's keep the guy that almost opted out lastyear, lolol

Nobody is untouchable for the right return...let's be honest we have a SUPER skilled top 4 forwards that most teams in the NHL would literally kill to have...if he moves either of them it would have t be for a return that is just too good to be ignored...both guys have deficiencies as well as strengths...Willie being slightly older would make him the logical move as a 1st line with Marner and Matthews growing together is a dream to have (and I am not on the Marner bandwagon by any means) Mitchie will keep getting better his next steps are his straight line speed and his butterfly of a shot...Willie's next steps are more mental than physical his compete level (in all situations) and his positioning in the defensive zone moving either one of them regrettably will be a mistake in hindsight as both of these guys will be premier NHL'ers for years to come...but im moving Mitch for the right return before im moving Willie...that cap space in a flat cap world is just too valuable

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I don't think it's sustainable to have three 11 million dollar forwards in an 81 mil flat cap. Matthews obviously stays. Tavares has a nmc and isn't going anywhere. That leaves Marner. In hindsight, I'd rather have Marner and Matthews on the team with Kadri as the #2 C than to sign Tavares but have to trade Marner. But alas. No other real choice. Marner has to go.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Dubas wont do anything.

This.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Actually no. Marner was really bad on the powerplay this season. Teams know he's not a threat to shoot from the point so when the powerplay runs through him it becomes a lot more predictable and easy to defend. He was also not a very good defensive penalty killer this season.

I don’t know champ. He’s good. I don’t think he had a good season either. Willy was awesome this season. Produced 2 and 2 in 5 playoff games and played good against a suffocating blue jacks team.
These two are point per game players next season and likely many in a row after. Willy will score more goals Marner will put up more points. Both are valuable players and we shouldn’t lose sight of that. I like both and never stomp on one to prop up the other. They are really different players in a good way. I think both need a big power winger on their left side that causes disruption they can capitalize on. Johnsson was good but i mean a nasty, mean tempered S.o.b that jacks them up. Marner scores at a average over 20 goals career so far. He said he needs to score more and I don’t think he could have hit the nail on the head better. That scoring will come by being less predictable as you expressed. I think you are nuts on that he is being to predictable.
Keeping both as long as we can suits me perfect. Keefe is a reactive coach that i think is well liked by his players. He is going to get lots out of our best players as they try winning together. Character building together is what i mean by that.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This.

What. The Kappy trade was agressive by them Two G.M’s. I liked the expediency of that.

 

[kb]

This.

He's already done something pretty big.