Prospect Info: Who is our 4th best prospect?
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I view Svechnikov/Cholowski as graduated at this point based on age/experience. But if folks feel like they should be included, I can add them in, let me know.
We have a lot of other more recent players drafted in rounds 1-3 to discuss at this point IMO.
We have a lot of other more recent players drafted in rounds 1-3 to discuss at this point IMO.
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This is tough and I might have 4 different answers if I answered 4 different times but I went with rass. He’s just got some attributes that could put him on another level if things went a certain way.
Veleno for me, slightly ahead of Berggren.
A darkhorse for me is Johansson, I have a really good feeling about him, I've been excited since we drafted him. I think he will be an NHL regular in the not too distant future, and could turn into a solid #3 or 4 if all goes well.
A darkhorse for me is Johansson, I have a really good feeling about him, I've been excited since we drafted him. I think he will be an NHL regular in the not too distant future, and could turn into a solid #3 or 4 if all goes well.
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This one comes down to Rasumssen vs Berggren for me (I think?).
Veleno was kind of disappointing for me last year, I expected him to do more. He plays a game I like moreso than Rasumssen, but I'm not so sold he will end up as the better player. Playing in the SHL could be good for him to get some confidence going, but he still has some tendencies I would like to see him correct.
I think Berggren has the upside to be better than both, but I'd like to see him on NA ice first. If I was just doing this based on upside, I would vote for Berggren over the other 2.
Veleno was kind of disappointing for me last year, I expected him to do more. He plays a game I like moreso than Rasumssen, but I'm not so sold he will end up as the better player. Playing in the SHL could be good for him to get some confidence going, but he still has some tendencies I would like to see him correct.
I think Berggren has the upside to be better than both, but I'd like to see him on NA ice first. If I was just doing this based on upside, I would vote for Berggren over the other 2.
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I know it is unlikely with this board for a bit but it is Rasmussen for me here and I don't have anyone particularly close to him either in terms of what is left. I like him more than Berggren and Veleno here. I see more upside and I think he is ready to play #3C right now.
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I didn't watch much of Bergreen this season, but something isn't right with him. He has great hockey iq, skills and speed, but something not right, besides always get injured. Veleno did not have good season last year, but he had much better end of the season and he is doing fine right now in SHL.
I have Rasmussen #4 because we drafted him very high and because we didn't use his best skills. He is still developing and I hope become one of the main pisses on my team
I have Rasmussen #4 because we drafted him very high and because we didn't use his best skills. He is still developing and I hope become one of the main pisses on my team
I really liked Ras when I watched him play in GR, I thought he was clearly one of the top ~3 players on the team when he was healthy. I’m a bit disappointed he is stuck playing in an Austrian league currently. Probably the most NHL ready prospect we have (other than Seider) but somehow is stuck playing against what is essentially CHL level competition. It’s just completely puzzling, and I’m not sure if I should interpret it as a red flag for how professional scouts view him.
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I want to vote for Berggren but I can't officially bring myself to do it. I'll go with Veleno for the, albeit questionable, Top-6 center upside.
it’s important to note the many complications with European loans this year. For starters, the pure volume of guys on loan subsequently limits the options for any given player as import slots fill up. The next factor is the loan agreements themselves. For example the SHL agreement necessitates the player on loan is in the SHL for the entire year. Lastly, fit. Does the given team have a slot that makes sense for the specific prospect.
so when you take a step back and consider all of this you realize there are many factors contributing to where a prospect lands. With Rasmussen, I’m sure there were two or three main considerations. 1) ability to recall (eliminates the SHL), 2) Rasmussen should be deployed as a top 6 Center.
with all of this in mind I don’t think we should read into his Austrian league placement too much. It was likely the best fit for him as a center while still allowing the wings to call him back when a NHL/AHL season gets going.
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I voted for Veleno. The kid is looking very good in the SHL right now; dominating in the faceoff circle, carrying the puck much more, shooting more, and looks to have gotten even faster. He's the best forward on a bad Malmo Redhawks team this season.
Ras is more NHL ready but that doesn't really mean as much when compared to their expected potential, growth and team impact. Ras is expected to be a 3rd liner while Veleno is expected to be a 2nd liner.
Ras is more NHL ready but that doesn't really mean as much when compared to their expected potential, growth and team impact. Ras is expected to be a 3rd liner while Veleno is expected to be a 2nd liner.
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Joe Veleno.
As far as NHL readiness goes, I'd say Rasmussen, but I don't think he has the upside that some of our other players have. Best case scenario, I think he's a no. 3 center or a middle 6 winger.
I still have faith that Veleno is our no. 2 center down the line. I realize his stats don't say that, but when I watch him play, he's got such a mature game, and I think his teammates are letting him down quite a bit. At least, in the three SHL games I watched him play this year, I saw him set up at least a dozen opportunities his linemates couldn't put away for one reason or another. Worst case scenario, he slots in as a no. 3 center or a middle 6 winger.
In the games I've watched Berggren play, I wasn't as impressed as I was with Veleno. Granted, he's not playing the perimeter game he was playing last year, but he's definitely gotten lucky on a few of his assists. Again, in the games I've seen. He had one assist he wasn't even on the ice for. Best case scenario, I think he's a middle 6 winger.
As the season progresses, I suspect Veleno's and Raymond's PPG are going to improve, and Berggren's is going to drop off quite a bit, simply based on what I've seen in the games I've watched.
As far as NHL readiness goes, I'd say Rasmussen, but I don't think he has the upside that some of our other players have. Best case scenario, I think he's a no. 3 center or a middle 6 winger.
I still have faith that Veleno is our no. 2 center down the line. I realize his stats don't say that, but when I watch him play, he's got such a mature game, and I think his teammates are letting him down quite a bit. At least, in the three SHL games I watched him play this year, I saw him set up at least a dozen opportunities his linemates couldn't put away for one reason or another. Worst case scenario, he slots in as a no. 3 center or a middle 6 winger.
In the games I've watched Berggren play, I wasn't as impressed as I was with Veleno. Granted, he's not playing the perimeter game he was playing last year, but he's definitely gotten lucky on a few of his assists. Again, in the games I've seen. He had one assist he wasn't even on the ice for. Best case scenario, I think he's a middle 6 winger.
As the season progresses, I suspect Veleno's and Raymond's PPG are going to improve, and Berggren's is going to drop off quite a bit, simply based on what I've seen in the games I've watched.
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All these votes for Berggren make it seem like some are just going off of the stat sheet, I'd like to see him play a full season before ranking him in the top 5 personally. Went with Ras, but can see the argument for Veleno. I just don't see the offensive upside in Veleno to lockdown a 2nd line center spot, where I could see Ras carving out a spot as a complimentary top 6 winger or a beast of a 3rd line center.
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Semantically, since I feel that Ras is ready the come back and be an NHL player at this point, I voted for Berggy again since I'm playing along. After seeing what he can do with his offensive skillet, I'd put him just ahead of Veleno at this point.
Really, they're neck and neck for me.
Really, they're neck and neck for me.
I’ve watched a few of his games this year and one of them he looked ready for a top 6 spot in the NHL, another he looked like a guy with so much potential who just couldn’t put it together. I agree a full season would do him wonders, but also the potential in him makes him the 4th best prospect for me.
