Who do you build around: Draisaitl or Mackinnon?
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He’s about to win the Art Ross and likely Hart Trophy after scoring 50G/100pts...
He’s a top 5 player in the game.
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MacK fans: hahaha speedy boy goes zoom zoom
MacK fans: hahaha speedy boy goes zoom zoom
Mackinnon impacts the game in all 3 zones and was incredible in the playoffs. Draisaitl is horrible defensively and more of a powerplay specialist. Offensive stats might be similar but Mackinnon is a far superior player overall.
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Correct, but Wayner was 34 at that point while still a beast offensively. That was also his last Art Ross win. He was never a minus player any other of his 10 Art Ross wins.
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Let me know when he manages that while not playing second fiddle for 90% of the season
Until then it’s not even a 1-1 comparison
And how exactly is he supposed to do that when McDavid is on his team? Demand a trade to prove HF boards posters wrong?
Do you also think Malkin was just an average player? He’s also been second fiddle to the best player in the game for a while.
Also strange that Draisaitl is out producing McDavid this season as well since he’s apparently just being Carried by him?
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A beast who got punked by Logan couture
Couture definitely got the better of MacKinnon in that series, but this leaves out a lot of key information. Couture had 3 linemates playing at a higher level than any of MacKinnon’s linemates were playing in that series, Jones outplayed Grubauer, and MacKinnon also got injured early in game 7. Beyond that, the Sharks just barely had the edge in xGF% with both players on the ice at 5-on-5, so goaltending and teammate shooting played a big role in that as well. Watching that series, MacKinnon certainly carried play and was extremely dangerous, he just didn’t finish and got exposed defensively. He’s a phenomenal player in the playoffs.
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Do you really think Mackinnon would be first fiddle on a team with McDavid?
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Draisatl may have slightly better vision but the difference between MacKinnons skating and Draisatls is huge.
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God this is actually a great question.
I truly dont know.
Also, nice to see people downplay Draisaitl again like usual lol. I am curious what he needs to do to make people think he is actually really good haha.
I would assume if he didnt play on the Oilers, that would help... just cause alot of other team fans despise the Oilers
Gotta love those "ainec" and "easily" replies when saying one of them lol
I truly dont know.
Also, nice to see people downplay Draisaitl again like usual lol. I am curious what he needs to do to make people think he is actually really good haha.
I would assume if he didnt play on the Oilers, that would help... just cause alot of other team fans despise the Oilers
Gotta love those "ainec" and "easily" replies when saying one of them lol
The biggest difference in offensive production between the two is on the PP. 5 on 5 MacKinnon had 62 points to Draisaitl's 66 points.
Draisaitl literally takes every PP shift with McDavid.
Anyone want to check how many of Draisaitl's points had McDavid involved in some ways? I'm guessing at least 80%.
Draisaitl literally takes every PP shift with McDavid.
Anyone want to check how many of Draisaitl's points had McDavid involved in some ways? I'm guessing at least 80%.
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That was my logic in taking MacK slightly over Draisaitl. Drai’ s skating has improved a lot and he’s an absolute tank on puck protection much like MacKinnon is.
Drai’s vision in the offensive zone is I think the best in the NHL but that McDavid-MacKinnon potential down the middle coming at a team in waves is just too tantalizing. Either way, it’s McDavid followed by MacKinnon and Draisaitl as the top 3 players currently in the NHL. Draisaitl completely silenced the “product of McDavid” nonsense when he played better away from him than with him. Before the Covid-19 stoppage no line was producing like RNH-Drai-Yamamoto, including the Boston perfection line. It was ridiculous what Drai’s line was doing, it was complete destruction of opposing teams.
However, imagine being an opposing coach trying to line match McDavid’s line hopping over the boards followed by MacKinnon’s line. A lot of sleepless nights the night before a game I’d imagine. As much as I love Drai, that just seems like a matchup nightmare.
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I love me some Nate MacKinnon, but I wouldn’t discount Draisaitl for playing with McDavid.
He spent a good amount of time away from him this year and just because you play with McDavid it doesn’t guarantee insane production. Just ask Zack Kassian.
Crosby had a ton of mediocre wingers throughout his career. They weren’t putting up a 100 points.
Playing on the PP with McDavid and having D pairs/shutdown lines less focused on you because McDavid is on another line is relevant, but Draisaitl’s production is still extremely impressive.
He spent a good amount of time away from him this year and just because you play with McDavid it doesn’t guarantee insane production. Just ask Zack Kassian.
Crosby had a ton of mediocre wingers throughout his career. They weren’t putting up a 100 points.
Playing on the PP with McDavid and having D pairs/shutdown lines less focused on you because McDavid is on another line is relevant, but Draisaitl’s production is still extremely impressive.
Mackinnon is more effective.
His team's shot/chance/goal differentials are better. He has a better impact. Which is what I said in my post.
Mackinnon's two-way game is better.
Steven Toast
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this is completely fabricated. it couldn't be further from the truth.
his doubters arise but not because of what team he plays on, but because of who he plays the majority of the season with. he's seen more time on ice with connor mcdavid than without.
Rorschach
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In LA, character and intangibles matter. We learned that after winning Cups with guys like Mike Richards, Willie Mitchell, Justin Williams, Rob Scuderi, Dustin Brown and Jarret Stoll.
So I would pick Mr. I will take less money again on my next contract (so I can win with my current group of teammates) Nathan MacKinnon. I would take Draisaitl on my team in a heartbeat if I could afford him but to build a team around a player, I would have to look at the kind of intangibles that a player like MacK has.
So I would pick Mr. I will take less money again on my next contract (so I can win with my current group of teammates) Nathan MacKinnon. I would take Draisaitl on my team in a heartbeat if I could afford him but to build a team around a player, I would have to look at the kind of intangibles that a player like MacK has.
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Tangent but not to mention, as you are an LAK fan, that Kopitar is Draisaitl’s idol. Apparently, Kopitar knew this and was kind of a mentor and took Draisaitl under his wing when they played together for Team Europe at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey when Draisaitl was still a pup.
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Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Yep, you'll find me on these HFBoards saying that Draisaitl is Kopitar 2.0 as a talent.
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Drai produced better centring his own line this year away from McDavid. Once the RNH-Drai-Yamamoto line were formed they completely dominated their competition. Hence, the “product of Yamamoto” memes.
Draisaitl is a top 3 player in the NHL with or without McDavid. Period.
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Mackinnon didn't take less money on his first contract. He was fresh off a 20 goal, 50 point season preceded by a disappointing sophomore campaign of 14 goals and 38 points in 64 games. 6.3 AAV was market value at the time. Obviously Mackinnon has blown expectations away since then. And we will see if this is just talk from Mackinnon when he needs a new deal in 3 years time.
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He needs to commit defensively more like Kopitar does at 5 v 5. Drai always says in interviews how he wants to play like Kopitar.
I think it’s a matter of commitment. He plays massive 5 v 5 and PP minutes but when he’s asked to PK he absolutely shuts it down. Watch any of his 5 v 3 PK film and you walk away wondering why he doesn’t play that staunchly defensively every shift. He looks like a future multiple time Selke winner the way he PKs (note: the Oilers had the 2nd ranked NHL PK this year and every time we faced a 5 v 3 it was always Draisaitl as our go to guy).
It’s strange he doesn’t have great defensive metrics 5 v 5, but on the PK he’s so good. He uses his elite hockey IQ to shut down passing lanes and completely dominates as a PKer. That’s why when I hear that he’s not great defensively by people looking only a spreadsheets I kind of chuckle because of how good he is as a PKer. I think it’s a commitment issue and more a symptom of his massive minutes he plays and offensive expectations leading to that statistical oddity.
