Footballers aren't sprinting the entire time they are on the pitch they use a lot of the time to rest were most hockey forwards are going all out because they get to go off , they are different types of fit .
Who do work more, top soccer leagues' players or nhlers?
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Its not professional but my cousins rep football team did a bunch of competitions against the rep hockey team in the area the soccer players won all the endurance ones the hockey players won all the fast twitch / sprinting ones on average.
Sprinter vs a marathon runner they are both strong just built differently .
A smart minute eating defenseman in hockey is more like a footballer like a pronger or Lidstrom where they know when and how to conserve their energy while still being where they need to be and are still effective
Sprinter vs a marathon runner they are both strong just built differently .
A smart minute eating defenseman in hockey is more like a footballer like a pronger or Lidstrom where they know when and how to conserve their energy while still being where they need to be and are still effective
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Mount Suribachi
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First of all, OP needs to define what he means by "work". Some random thoughts.
Hockey players carry a lot more muscle, and have problems maintaining their weight through the season. I remember watching a video talking to one of Detroits nutritionists a few years ago and he said they expect the players to lose 10-12 lbs in weight through the season as they simply can't eat enough to replace the calories they expend and retain their muscle mass. I think it was Andreas Lilja they spoke to who explained how he is constantly eating just to try and maintain his body weight.
Soccer players all always on the move. Even at set pieces they'll be walking or jogging into place. And the modern "pressing" style of play means a much higher intensity is required from players than we saw in the past, requiring even higher levels of fitness.
Finally to those who said there's no travel in European soccer leagues....not for the top teams. Sure there's not the ridiculous NHL schedule where you play back to back games, getting into your hotel at 3am, but if you're playing in the Champions League or Europa League, you can be having an away game in the likes Azerbaijan or Russia on a Wed/Thurs, then have to fly back to England for a game on the Sat/Sun.
Squad rotation has been established in soccer for nearly 30 years now and is widely accepted as a thing that top teams need to do. I'm old enough to remember Man Utd seasons in the early 90s where they just ran out of gas at the end of the season and the players were running on fumes, after which Fergie started using squad rotation. Whereas, even in back-to-back games, rotation isn't a thing in hockey. Although that could be as much to do with the Pejorative Slured, head in the sand, backwards, old boys network, this is how we've always done it style of thinking that permeates hockey.
Hockey players carry a lot more muscle, and have problems maintaining their weight through the season. I remember watching a video talking to one of Detroits nutritionists a few years ago and he said they expect the players to lose 10-12 lbs in weight through the season as they simply can't eat enough to replace the calories they expend and retain their muscle mass. I think it was Andreas Lilja they spoke to who explained how he is constantly eating just to try and maintain his body weight.
Soccer players all always on the move. Even at set pieces they'll be walking or jogging into place. And the modern "pressing" style of play means a much higher intensity is required from players than we saw in the past, requiring even higher levels of fitness.
Finally to those who said there's no travel in European soccer leagues....not for the top teams. Sure there's not the ridiculous NHL schedule where you play back to back games, getting into your hotel at 3am, but if you're playing in the Champions League or Europa League, you can be having an away game in the likes Azerbaijan or Russia on a Wed/Thurs, then have to fly back to England for a game on the Sat/Sun.
Squad rotation has been established in soccer for nearly 30 years now and is widely accepted as a thing that top teams need to do. I'm old enough to remember Man Utd seasons in the early 90s where they just ran out of gas at the end of the season and the players were running on fumes, after which Fergie started using squad rotation. Whereas, even in back-to-back games, rotation isn't a thing in hockey. Although that could be as much to do with the Pejorative Slured, head in the sand, backwards, old boys network, this is how we've always done it style of thinking that permeates hockey.
Hockey doesn't have the rules for squad rotation . Its answer was shorter shifts and using the bottom lines more.
Which actually worked because worse teams could and still can beat better teams by outworking them.
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People calling soccer soft haven’t defended set pieces. Also the amount you get stepped on is insane. I think I’ve lost 5 toenails in the last 2 years
I think soccer or football players are tough as hell, the reason they get called soft is diving is huge in the sport.
Especially with the internet soccer players acting like they got shot and then magically getting better when there is no card or the ball comes back to them is like ehhhhh
While after the playoffs in hockey its like oh this guy had a broken foot , leg , a punctured lung, a broken back and asthma . We couldn't tell anyone because they would target his entire body.
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In what respect? Like days training and working out? Or when their actually in a game?
Mid fielders run ~9-10km per game, but they play less games. They also dont hit and physicality is near zero. Soccer is probably harder on some of the joints, but hockey is much harder on the rest of the body.
Totally different type of stamina though. I always found it difficult to go from outdoor football to indoor football, and that was nowhere near pro. No clue which trains harder, most likely depends on the individual. Certain guys like McDavid obviously train harder than guys like Buff. Same for soccer. Comparing cross-sport the guys at the top like Ronaldo etc would obviously train harder than the average NHLer... so that's not really something worth discussing since players train differently based on role. From fighters to goal keepers. I would think that NHL goalies train harder than football goalies, requires much more flexibility and technique.
Chara would be a good footballer, since he's a monster cyclist.
Mid fielders run ~9-10km per game, but they play less games. They also dont hit and physicality is near zero. Soccer is probably harder on some of the joints, but hockey is much harder on the rest of the body.
Totally different type of stamina though. I always found it difficult to go from outdoor football to indoor football, and that was nowhere near pro. No clue which trains harder, most likely depends on the individual. Certain guys like McDavid obviously train harder than guys like Buff. Same for soccer. Comparing cross-sport the guys at the top like Ronaldo etc would obviously train harder than the average NHLer... so that's not really something worth discussing since players train differently based on role. From fighters to goal keepers. I would think that NHL goalies train harder than football goalies, requires much more flexibility and technique.
Chara would be a good footballer, since he's a monster cyclist.
This is the level of posting in this thread. Soccer requires the same upper body strength as hockey?
tarheelhockey
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Pretty much. In both sports, you don’t do a whole lot with upper body power other than battling for physical position. Hockey players have strong grip/forearms, sure, but that’s not what people mean when they say “upper body strength”.
Every year we see some kid at the draft who does something like this, and it doesn’t matter at all.
LOOK: Top NHL prospect Casey Mittelstadt can't do a single pull-up
The upper body in hockey is much more about fine motor control than strength. It doesn’t necessarily hurt to have bulging pecs, but it doesn’t really help much either.
I mean, there's an expected physicality in hockey that is not present in soccer. Players are expected to hit and be hit, and yes puck battles are more prevalent than ever. You also have a range of shots that require more than forearm strength. It's not the same sport. Pull-ups are not necessarily a great measure for upper body strength as it relates to either sport. But hockey players are absolutely going to have a much stronger and heavier upper body on average than soccer players.
Mount Suribachi
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It has a 23 man roster though, and teams won't even rotate 2 fwds and a D for back to back games
tarheelhockey
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Of course hockey is more physical than soccer, which makes weight more important.
If hockey players think they’re using significantly more upper body strength than soccer players, they’re misunderstanding one sport or the other.
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A more interesting comparison is that the average hockey player skates 5 miles per game while a soccer player runs 7 miles per game.
The difference here is that the hockey player is doing all of those five miles at a virtually all-out sprint while a soccer player is jogging over half the time which is how they give their time to recover from the heavy work.
The next is the physical. A hockey player is carrying around a bunch of equipment for the entirety of the game while a soccer player has none outside of their boots. A hockey game requires taking a lot more physical abuse than a soccer game on average.
Hockey is a far more difficult sport to play and master than soccer is, but I think the best of the best athletes are playing soccer so the competition level is higher as the talent pool is greater.
Anyone who says the professionals in one aerobic sport train harder than the professionals in another aerobic sport are fooling themselves. Stars are stars for a reason and it has a lot to do with how hard they work.
The difference here is that the hockey player is doing all of those five miles at a virtually all-out sprint while a soccer player is jogging over half the time which is how they give their time to recover from the heavy work.
The next is the physical. A hockey player is carrying around a bunch of equipment for the entirety of the game while a soccer player has none outside of their boots. A hockey game requires taking a lot more physical abuse than a soccer game on average.
Hockey is a far more difficult sport to play and master than soccer is, but I think the best of the best athletes are playing soccer so the competition level is higher as the talent pool is greater.
Anyone who says the professionals in one aerobic sport train harder than the professionals in another aerobic sport are fooling themselves. Stars are stars for a reason and it has a lot to do with how hard they work.
1865
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It's literally a contact sport. Slide tackling is allowed for example.
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Look man, let's just admit you don't know what you're talking about and we'll all go on with our day.
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How can you watch hockey and come at another sport for diving? Happens a ton in the nhl
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The average soccer player would crumble like a pile of dry leaves from one run-of-the-mill NHL caliber bodycheck. Like boxing, NHL cardio is different due to the punishment the body takes during the activity. And the level of physicality in hockey is in a different universe than soccer. As someone who has played both sports competitively, I can't help but think the posters who say that the physical aspects are close have never even put on a pair of skates.
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Slide tackling isn't a play where you can just take out the player . It's still a play on the ball. If you were allowed to just body check in soccer/football I would call it a contact sport.
Like I said. That doesn't mean it's not super physical
dogbazinho
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Probably equal amount of work given that the demands to be the best at the both sports require maximum effort. I will say having seen top notch facilities at Camp Nou, Bernabéu etc I think Soccer spends more money in identifying, developing and training.
Bounces R Way
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What does one have to do with the other? Is Michael Phelps not a world class athlete because he doesn't bodycheck anyone in the pool?
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