MoeBartoli
Checkers-to-Jackets
- Jan 12, 2011
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While I’ve long been a skeptic of Bean becoming a top 4 defender, I’m surprised at the low support by others he’s received.
[RE: Guillaume Richard] I'm basing it on his mix of details + tools.Based on what?
I'm not basing anything off of his statline, it's about his style of game mixed with projectable traits that will elevate that style + allow for him to add other elements to his game.Being a second pair college defenseman and one of the few players with a negative plus minus? Do you see his D-partner as top4 too? Taige Harding is bigger, more filled out, and has shown the ability to score points; and I don’t think he’s a top4 guy either.
I'm still scratching my head over Canada not taking Ceulemans or Mateychuk. Great players get left off of Canada's WJC roster all the time.Canada took Tyson Hinds over him to the WJC, actually he didn’t even get a camp tryout.
I'm not one to put a lot of faith in this type of reasoning, but I understand why some do.Who is the last notable NHL defenseman to come from Providence? Mark Fayne?
I'd also be happy with this outcome, I just think that there's enough projection in him to be more than that.Long story short, if he ends up as a bottom pairing shutdown guy I’d be happy.
My faith in Boqvist gets smaller each gameWell, in summary…..it looks like there’s good faith in Blanks, modest faith in Boqvist and minimal faith in the balance. Let’s hope Jiricek, Svozil and Mateychuk or Couelemans are the real deal. Thanks to all who participated.
My faith in many of these guys has gotten smaller this season.My faith in Boqvist gets smaller each game
I think about the fact we are paying Peeker and Guds a combined $6.75 Million per season the next three years and Guds another $4 Million for a fourth year. It makes me cringe. Who would you rather have, Peeker and Guds or Gavrikov?
I don't agree but I respect your choice...and that you explained it.My probably unpopular opinion is I would rather have Gudbranson and Peeke during the early careers of our high draft choices than Gavrikov. Part of what we need to do with the young guys is keep them from taking cheap shots. Gudbranson, Olivier, and to a lesser extent Peeke do that. Gavrikov doesn’t. Kent Johnson and others arent going to develop if Tom Wilson gives them concussions. If we were an established older team then Gavrikov is more valuable, but not with what this team is.
I don’t disagree but I feel like that was the intent, to give guys - Peeke, Bean, Boquist, Blankenburg - the chance to prove themselves and, if not, then course correct in the future (which could be as soon as this off-season).Either way, this team is full of 6/7 types (at best) and a bunch of unproven prospects.
I think the FO thought they'd have a better understanding of those guys by now, literally all the defenseman with question marks about their play all went out long termI don’t disagree but I feel like that was the intent, to give guys - Peeke, Bean, Boquist, Blankenburg - the chance to prove themselves and, if not, then course correct in the future (which could be as soon as this off-season).
It’s ever the debate - allow some time for guys to show you what they are and are going to be or try and slot someone in every roster spot. Maybe we’d prefer there not be so many of those prove-it slots available but we had acquired these guys.
And we are using that to hang the GM.I think the FO thought they'd have a better understanding of those guys by now, literally all the defenseman with question marks about their play all went out long term
And we are using that to hang the GM.
I'll put my updated thoughts on the defense here as well.
I don't have a lot of patience for Boqvist anymore to show his top-6 potential going forward. Basically I see a bad defensive player who makes slower and worse decisions with the puck than he's supposed to do. He got an opportunity on PP1 last night and didn't look any better than Bjork. I don't even know if Jarmo can afford to take the risk of penciling him in to next year's top-7 D. We probably should trade him or waive him next year or move him to wing.
In my mind the jury is still out for Bean. He's got better frame and speed in general than Bo and can defend to some degree. Less puck poise for sure but I thought I saw a tiny bit of progress in strength and defensive awareness this year. I may be delusional in thinking he could be a bottom pair guy on a playoff contending team so for now I'm ok with keeping him through next season. I'm not attached to that belief though if his play ends up falling back to same ol Bean level as early as 2023 preseason.
Either Peeke or Gudbranson needs to go (out of the top-6) before next season. Or maybe both, depending on "the cost" and the effects to the cap.
As of now I don't think any of the fringe guys has top-6 potential (Berni/Bjork/Christiansen/etc.).
That leaves Werenski and Blankenburg as the only legit top-6 defensemen.
So to summarize, we have 2 "surefire" top-6 guys and 2 "maybes" in Bean and one of Gud/Peeke.
Werenski - ???
??? - Blankenburg
Bean - Gud/Peeke
Gavy would be an answer to the other ??? if we knew that both he and CBJ wanted him to stay. Assuming he will re-sign here, my conclusion from this exercise is that the Jackets need at least one more top-4 RD to compete for a playoff spot in 2023-24. Jiricek of course is a good candidate since he has top-4 D qualities but the million dollar question is can they count on Jiricek growing enough physically and mentally over the summer to step into that role comfortably so that Jarmo doesn't have to desperately seek for solutions elsewhere with another possible overpayment?
Maybe Jarmo thought it was only a matter of strictly following Kevin Collins's workout program for Boqvist to take the next step in his game. Unfortunately being in better condition does not necessarily make you a quicker processor of the game. Not sure if Jarmo ever factored that in to the evaluation of the player before giving out the contract.What was Jarmo smoking when he gave Boqvist that contract?
Agreed, but as we all realize that 16M$ deal the other guy has will likely complicate the decision making.As I've pointed out before, the chances against with these two are night and day. One is an actual shutdown D, with shutdown results. The other is a goon that can't defend and significantly weakens the team when he is on the ice.
Sure. I should've been more precise, I meant their potential to be top-6 D next year, in a scenario where Jackets secure a PO spot. Who knows how far they can get in 2+ years.I'll take Berni and Bjork as 6/7 guys. Their results have been okay. Christiansen is erratic but skilled and I wouldn't even rule out that he could reach that level in a year or two.
Barrie is an intriguing option, would he be included in the Gavrikov deal or are they talking about sending him here in a separate trade?
I'll put my updated thoughts on the defense here as well.
Boqvist…Basically I see a bad defensive player who makes slower and worse decisions with the puck than he's supposed to do….. or move him to wing.
In my mind the jury is still out for Bean. He's got better frame and speed in general than Bo and can defend to some degree. Less puck poise for sure but I thought I saw a tiny bit of progress in strength and defensive awareness this year. I may be delusional in thinking he could be a bottom pair guy
Either Peeke or Gudbranson needs to go