Value of: Which teams could be in on Matheson at the TDL?

[Bouboumaster]

Dahlin is only making 7.2m this year

Thanks for the heads up, still doesn't change the fact that Dahlin is paid more for basically the same results

 

[Just Linda]

Should not play 25:25 mins per game. 5th in whole league
more than Makar, Q Hughes, MacAvoy, Theodore…

Should play 22 mins tops.

4th in pp toi. Helps boost numbers.

I mean... what's the alternative?

Habs just lost Ghule and Harris.

WiFi, Struble, and Barron all likely slot into the lineup next game. All are just 22. Kovacevic can't handle big minutes, Savard likely can't handle a bump in minutes at this point either without his body wearing down.

Habs are depleted of depth right now, Matheson's minutes likely will stay high.

 

[dugg133]

I think Matheson is like a fine 3/4 dman that gets deployed like he's prime Chara in terms of both minutes played in all situation and the quality of his competition cause the habs don't have any other options. And that's fine for them cause they're rebuilding and don't want their young guns playing those hard minutes until they're ready.

This is a long way of saying the habs won't get anything that makes moving Matheson worth it for them. They're better off with him in the lineup, letting the kids develop slowly, then they are with maybe a late first.

 

[cwede]

Habs w tight Cap discourages retention
2 more years at almost $5M may be an obstacle for some contenders

he's never impressed me as much more a typical established NHL D-man,
so IMHO for most teams he might only be worthwhile to acquire with 50% retention

 

[JRichard]

I mean... what's the alternative?

Habs just lost Ghule and Harris.

WiFi, Struble, and Barron all likely slot into the lineup next game. All are just 22. Kovacevic can't handle big minutes, Savard likely can't handle a bump in minutes at this point either without his body wearing down.

Habs are depleted of depth right now, Matheson's minutes likely will stay high.

25 mins was before losing Guhle. Will be 27 mins now.
Savard is playing too much (21 mins) already. Will play 23 now.

Will it be suddenly that much different when Barron, Arber, Harris turn 24? There is some type of switch?
Struble‘s ceiling looks like Harris or Barron on 3rd pair.

Will we say same thing with the next wave (Mailloux, Reinbacher, Hutson) for the next 5 seasons until they turn 24?

Romanov, Sergachev would be in that age range plus Norlinder, Lindstrom, Brook in bust territory.

at some point that « age gap » in the dmen will have to be fixed via trade.

 

[Robtom18]

Whats the ask.

 

[Just Linda]

25 mins was before losing Guhle. Will be 27 mins now.
Savard is playing too much (21 mins) already. Will play 23 now.

Will it be suddenly that much different when Barron, Arber, Harris turn 24? There is some type of switch?
Struble‘s ceiling looks like Harris or Barron on 3rd pair.

Will we say same thing with the next wave (Mailloux, Reinbacher, Hutson) for the next 5 seasons until they turn 24?

Romanov, Sergachev would be in that age range plus Norlinder, Lindstrom, Brook in bust territory.

at some point that « age gap » in the dmen will have to be fixed via trade.

Absolutely it'll be different.

Struble, Barron, and WiFi are still getting used to NHL pace, they aren't used to the NHL game yet. Overplaying a young dman means they spend too much time out there in unsheltered roles, it means they have to play against the top NHL players each night for extended periods of time. Since they aren't used to that, it means more time spent thinking and less time playing, it drastically increases damage to their bodies and risk of injuries.


3 years pro is a lot more time for them to adjust.


Reinbacher, Hutson, and Mailloux will need to go adjust too. We saw it with Slaf last year, he wasn't ready and got hurt because of it.

Few players are ready to jump that high in the lineup without prep.

 

[JRichard]

Absolutely it'll be different.

Struble, Barron, and WiFi are still getting used to NHL pace, they aren't used to the NHL game yet. Overplaying a young dman means they spend too much time out there in unsheltered roles, it means they have to play against the top NHL players each night for extended periods of time. Since they aren't used to that, it means more time spent thinking and less time playing, it drastically increases damage to their bodies and risk of injuries.


3 years pro is a lot more time for them to adjust.


Reinbacher, Hutson, and Mailloux will need to go adjust too. We saw it with Slaf last year, he wasn't ready and got hurt because of it.

Few players are ready to jump that high in the lineup without prep.

Wouldnt you agree that all of Harris, Barron, Arber were better last year?
Struble is a rookie who hopefully doesnt take a step back.

 

[Just Linda]

Wouldnt you agree that all of Harris, Barron, Arber were better last year?
Struble is a rookie who hopefully doesnt take a step back.

Tough to say with Barron but maybe not. Harris is starting to get more comfortable but still is a rookie out there, Arber hasn't played enough in the NHL to gauge,

 

[Scintillating10]

Tampa maybe interested? Gauthier, 26 1st, '25 2nd?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Tampa maybe interested? Gauthier, 26 1st, '25 2nd?

Doubt that very much

 

[Scintillating10]

Doubt that very much

Habs will get haul for Matheson. If they move him.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Habs will get haul for Matheson. If they move him.

Ok but I don’t see that haul coming from Tampa

 

[McSuper]

Thanks for the heads up, still doesn't change the fact that Dahlin is paid more for basically the same results

I don't watch either team much but there more to a defence man than points. How do there defensive game compare?

 

[Scintillating10]

Ok but I don’t see that haul coming from Tampa

I doubt Habs will trade him but I remember you said we never get a first for Monahan.

 

[MXD]

25 mins was before losing Guhle. Will be 27 mins now.

...who was playing with Matheson, on the right side.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I doubt Habs will trade him but I remember you said we never get a first for Monahan.

Never said never. Just said I wouldn’t of done it.

 

[biturbo19]

The problem with Matheson is probably that he's more of a "good player on a bad team" than he is on a "good team".


He's great when he can just soak up minutes of relatively low consequence and use his superlative mobility to just roam and create. When he's in a place that actually sees him as a top Powerplay option. etc.

But he's the furthest thing from "steady" and "dependable". Which makes him a really tough fit for the sort of good, deep Playoff teams that tend to go around acquiring big ticket players at the trade deadline.

A couple more years remaining makes it an even more risky experiment if he doesn't fit in with the existing Top-4 somehow. The situation kind of reminds me of when the Canucks "loaded up" by acquiring Keith Ballard. And it just ended up being a complete and total disaster. Really good Top-4D in Florida at the time, solid track record with the Yotes, seemed like a fit on paper...but then tossed into a much deeper blueline and a different system, it all just fell apart and he became an anchor of a contract on defence that cost them a true impact player in Ehrhoff.

I just don't see the "demand" meeting the "value" that he has to a team like the Habs.

 

[larek]

Dahlin is only making 7.2m this year

That's almost twice as much

 

[Bouboumaster]

I don't watch either team much but there more to a defence man than points. How do there defensive game compare?

Matheson is at best so-so on the defensive side lol
Not the worst, but certainly not the best, that's for goddamn sure

Good thing is, he doesn't have to do it a lot, since he's so often on offense, but man he's the most frustrating player we have on the Habs


I was just messing a bit with the dude who shat on Matheson, obviously, everyone and their mothers would take Dahlin over Matheson

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

paying $5M for a bottom pair LD PP specialists is too much. what team in the league is missing a top 4 LD who would be looking to acquire him at the deadline given he has 2 more years left. You need to factor in plans the next 2 years in prospects coming up. easier to swallow at $2.5M but even then teams arent giving up high prospects/1st round picks for him.

If he was a UFA to be it may be different.

Ridiculous. Matheson ideally is a 2nd pairing d and on #1 pp. He will be more acceptably defensively not having to play against top lines and with less minutes. 60 pt defensemen are not easy to find.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The problem with Matheson is probably that he's more of a "good player on a bad team" than he is on a "good team".


He's great when he can just soak up minutes of relatively low consequence and use his superlative mobility to just roam and create. When he's in a place that actually sees him as a top Powerplay option. etc.

But he's the furthest thing from "steady" and "dependable". Which makes him a really tough fit for the sort of good, deep Playoff teams that tend to go around acquiring big ticket players at the trade deadline.

A couple more years remaining makes it an even more risky experiment if he doesn't fit in with the existing Top-4 somehow. The situation kind of reminds me of when the Canucks "loaded up" by acquiring Keith Ballard. And it just ended up being a complete and total disaster. Really good Top-4D in Florida at the time, solid track record with the Yotes, seemed like a fit on paper...but then tossed into a much deeper blueline and a different system, it all just fell apart and he became an anchor of a contract on defence that cost them a true impact player in Ehrhoff.

I just don't see the "demand" meeting the "value" that he has to a team like the Habs.

Erhoff was NEVER an impact player but I agree with the rest. On the wrong team he could be a problem.

 

[biturbo19]

Erhoff was NEVER an impact player.

No. He was simply, transformative of the way that Canucks team were able to attack offensively and propelled the Sedins into the stratosphere of the elite few. That's all.

 

[Play]

Erhoff was NEVER an impact player but I agree with the rest. On the wrong team he could be a problem.

You’re just saying that because he ran into Price accidentally like over a decade ago

 

[HabsAddict]

Matheson would be heading for 80-90 points on the Leafs. That's Makar/Hughes territory.

I have no problem trading him for a top 6 young forward. He's TD value is min 1st and 2nd. You don't like the cost? Great, find another defenseman that is going to get 62 plus points on a bottom feeder.

BTW...he's 8th in scoring defenseman.