Which all-talent/no heart player would you want on your team?

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I'll take Hamilton to QB the PP.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Nylander
Hamilton
Galchenyuk
Droon

 

[Dr Salt]

He finished the season tied for 31st in points.

EDIT: Now I realize you probably mean he is a guy who can step into the #3-#5 role on a Cup winning team, in which case I agree. I think he’s a solid #2.

No I meant that as a pure offensive defenseman. He's generated a lot of chances, both the eye test and stats check out. Even when the Canes offense was struggling he was still driving play. Its been since their post-New Year's resurgence that it can be seen on the score sheet.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

No I meant that as a pure offensive defenseman. He's generated a lot of chances, both the eye test and stats check out. Even when the Canes offense was struggling he was still driving play. Its been since their post-New Year's resurgence that it can be seen on the score sheet.

Sorry, I'm still not understanding this here. Are you saying he is one of the 3 or 5 best offensive defensemen in the NHL?

 

[Dr Salt]

Sorry, I'm still not understanding this here. Are you saying he is one of the 3 or 5 best offensive defensemen in the NHL?

Yes

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Yes

Over the past two seasons combined, Hamilton has a lower points per game than any of the following defensemen: Jeff Petry, Alexander Edler, Jake Muzzin, Jacob Trouba, and Charlie McAvoy.

He is maybe top-30 if you're looking at points and maybe top-15 at best if you consider his ability to drive shots and place a heavier emphasis on that than points.

I picked Hamilton in this poll, but calling him a top-3 or top-5 offensive defenseman is crazy talk.

 

[Leonhard Euler]

Say you have to pick one of these guys to be on your team. The two things all 4 of these guys have in common is an elite talent level but a poor work ethic/ lack of team game/ bad character (likely).

wtf?

 

[ookhaab]

Over the past two seasons combined, Hamilton has a lower points per game than any of the following defensemen: Jeff Petry, Alexander Edler, Jake Muzzin, Jacob Trouba, and Charlie McAvoy.

He is maybe top-30 if you're looking at points and maybe top-15 at best if you consider his ability to drive shots and place a heavier emphasis on that than points.

I picked Hamilton in this poll, but calling him a top-3 or top-5 offensive defenseman is crazy talk.

He is top 3 in all point/goal statistics over the past 3 seasons in 5v5 situations. Has been the best 5v5 goal scorer during those 3 seasons, too.

Why he hasnt been utilised in PP over more than clearly inferior options is unknown to me.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

He is top 3 in all point/goal statistics over the past 3 seasons in 5v5 situations. Has been the best 5v5 goal scorer during those 3 seasons, too.

Why he hasnt been utilised in PP over more than clearly inferior options is unknown to me.

This is correct regarding the 5V5 numbers over the past 3 seasons. Whether you look at rates or aggregate, he is 1st and goals and 3rd in points behind Burns and Karlsson. I did not know that and I would not have guessed that.

However, his 5-on-5 scoring takes a big hit when you exclude 2016-2017. Once you look at just the past two seasons, he drops to 8th in 5V5 points and 19th in 5V5 P/60. I’m not heavily against using three seasons worth of data but if you’re going to do it, you should at least weigh them so that the most recent season holds more weight.

However, he probably doesn’t get a ton of PP time because he isn’t all that good at it. He has played 556:57 on the PP over that time frame and his PPP/60 is 28th out of 34 defensemen with at least 500 minutes. Justin Faulk and Mark Giordano both have a slightly higher scoring rate on the PP than Hamilton and that is probably why he has been behind both of those guys as the PPQB on each of the teams he has played for. That could also have to do with seniority; Faulk and Giordano both have tenure on their team

At any rate, Hamilton still obviously isn’t a top-3 or top-5 offensive defenseman. He had a stellar season in 2016-2017 where his even strength production was at that level and he hasn’t been up there since. Power play production also counts and his is fairly poor for a #1D.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Drouin doesn't have any special NHL level talent that separates him from other ~55pt players, wish people would stop with the "so much talent but no effort" label, he's not that talented at this level.

not sure you watched him all year long...
When he is in his zone he is playing like Mcdavid on a wing, but those games are rare... too rare..

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Nylander's nonchalance and Hamilton's absentmindedness drive me crazy. So close to being greats. But they'll never get there. Ever.

I think hamilton kills me more than Nylander, 6'6 dude, fast, strong AF and always try to escape hits and run away.

Great talent, great body, great shot, but need more heart for his size...

 

[Captain Bowie]

i think that's why i trust vets more than young players, you dont know what you are drafting, you could be drafting number 1 talent with bad character jack eichel and mcdavid. i mean sidney crosby and ovi are probably the only players that were picked number 1 overall that wanted it all, no offense to rest of them.

This is a bad take.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Give me Yakupov over Nylander.

 

[bukwas]

Well one of them already plays on my favorite team and i'd prefer to move on from him. Wouldn't be too pleased if he was moved for one of the other options though. It would be a same crap different day type situation.
Need a none option.

 

[McFlash97]

I was going to select Hamilton....then I saw the ludicrous bailout on that OV backcheck for a goal against. Give me Drouin on 97s wing.

 

[BruinsFan37]

I'd take the one the Bruins haven't had previously (Hamilton - duh) and the ones who haven't had issues signing contracts/showing up for work (Nylander/Drouin)

So that leaves Galchenyuk. Hamilton is probably the better player, and Clode isn't here anymore (his issues with Boston seemed to be centered on Clode) but I still don't want him back.

 

[780il]

Hamilton easily.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Between these four, it's Drouin for me.

I don't know what happened in the last 40 plus game, but he was on FIRE in the first half of the season. He has so much pure talent, it's just that he has to find a way to be more consistant.

Think about it this way: he did jack shit in the second half of the season, and still finished with 53 points.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

i think that's why i trust vets more than young players, you dont know what you are drafting, you could be drafting number 1 talent with bad character jack eichel and mcdavid. i mean sidney crosby and ovi are probably the only players that were picked number 1 overall that wanted it all, no offense to rest of them.

What? McDavid has impeccable character.

 

[Taluss]

Chucky,hes not the best on here but I like his playstyle

 

[Sweetpotato]

You probably won't get credit but I like this poll. It's easy enough to pick the best player, but Hamilton has had a hard time fitting in his prior teams.

I

 

[ole ole]

Hamilton has proven to be the best of the 4.
Galchenyuk doesn't belong on this list.
Drouin is next with some of his lazyness.
Nylander during playoffs has shown that he has no heart,is the softest of all 4 and even his talent has come into question.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Hamilton should not be on this list

 

[Morgs]

Dumbest f***ing poll.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I wouldn't say Nylander lacks a "team game."

He has his shortcomings as a player, but I wouldn't characterize his style that way. When he's at his best, he sets other players up and helps them score. It's not like he hogs the puck and just keeps trying to score by himself.

He's nothing special defensively, but you can say that about other young players who aren't in this poll.

2 seasons led the league in neutral zone takeaways, but in the regular season and playoffs, teams scored more without him on the ice, than they did with him on it.

I think OP confused no heart, with GP and production.
Plus irrational poor biases