Where are the PA counter-proposals??

[Pepper]

Why is it that PA hasn't made a single proposal since early december (2months ago) while NHL has made atleast 4 in the same time?

PA only keeps rejecting all the proposals but they haven't made any proposals themselves. League has so far compromised quite considerably (33% increase in the hard cap, several other concessions) but PA's only real offer is still the ridiculous december 9th offer.

It seems to me that only one side is really interested in getting a deal and it most certainly isn't PA.

Bettman's latest offer was a good basis, let's go with PA's proposals as long as it works, if it doesn't work let's go with NHL's model. Now they only have to work out the triggers.

So where are the counter-proposals???

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[Lexicon Devil]

Yes, if something doesn't happen through the media it must not have happened at all...

 

[Pepper]

Yes, if something doesn't happen through the media it must not have happened at all...

Well why have we heard about most NHL offers but nobody of the PA has even mentioned of making a new offer to NHL??

 

[nyr7andcounting]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

 

[GKJ]

Because they know that what they want is not what the owners want. They figure why make proposals that will only waste people's time since they know they won't accept what the PA wants AND the owners keeping making propsals anyways. They've made their concessions, it's time for the owners to do that.

 

[TruGr1t]

Why is it that PA hasn't made a single proposal since early december (2months ago) while NHL has made atleast 4 in the same time?

PA only keeps rejecting all the proposals but they haven't made any proposals themselves. League has so far compromised quite considerably (33% increase in the hard cap, several other concessions) but PA's only real offer is still the ridiculous december 9th offer.

It seems to me that only one side is really interested in getting a deal and it most certainly isn't PA.

Bettman's latest offer was a good basis, let's go with PA's proposals as long as it works, if it doesn't work let's go with NHL's model. Now they only have to work out the triggers.

So where are the counter-proposals???

Goodenow said he doesn't need to make any more proposals, it's the Dec 9th proposal or NOTHING. Mwahahahaha.

 

[Hemooli]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

 

[alecfromtherock]

Goodenow said he doesn't need to make any more proposals, it's the Dec 9th proposal or NOTHING. Mwahahahaha.

Tough choice there

 

[Greschner4]

Because they aren't interested in a cap in any way, shape, or form even if they get uncapped years in return and even if it's not even certain that the cap will in fact kick in.

This has been their position since day one and it hasn't changed.

 

[transplant99]

Because they aren't interested in a cap in any way, shape, or form even if they get uncapped years in return and even if it's not even certain that the cap will in fact kick in.

This has been their position since day one and it hasn't changed.

So in other words, the PA refuses to negotiate. Exactly why so many support the owners.

Owners league, players rule it. Great idea.

 

[Habber]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

You're joking, right?

 

[Crease]

So in other words, the PA refuses to negotiate. Exactly why so many support the owners.

Just like how the Owners refuses to negotiate off the hard cap?

 

[Pepper]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

:lol :lol :lol

You must be kidding, Larry Brooks and Al Strachan have been chearleading PA's position from day 1 and they have published info about forthcoming PA proposals days before it was actually given to owners.

Please, try to argue on factual level.

 

[Munchausen]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

How's the whether in denial land?

 

[CGG]

There is no point making proposals that you know are going to be rejected. What the PA is doing (presumably) is talking with the NHL, trying to see if there's something they can do. Why waste time and make the same proposal day after day? The NHL keeps dishing out proposals that are for all intents and purposes, the same. Plus they know the PA won't accept. This hasn't helped the process at all.

The PA could release a proposal every day this week:
(1) 24% rollback
(2) 0.76 multiplier on all salaries
(3) Accept the owner's proposal, but if the sun rises at least once by next week, then automatically revert back to the PA original proposal

None of this would help the process. Talking to each other and trying to negotiate just might.

 

[tantalum]

There is no point making proposals that you know are going to be rejected. What the PA is doing (presumably) is talking with the NHL, trying to see if there's something they can do. Why waste time and make the same proposal day after day? The NHL keeps dishing out proposals that are for all intents and purposes, the same. Plus they know the PA won't accept. This hasn't helped the process at all.

The PA could release a proposal every day this week:
(1) 24% rollback
(2) 0.76 multiplier on all salaries
(3) Accept the owner's proposal, but if the sun rises at least once by next week, then automatically revert back to the PA original proposal

None of this would help the process. Talking to each other and trying to negotiate just might.

You'd think by now the PA would realise the owners are not going to buckle. Because of that the owners hold the cards NOT the players. The owners could walk away from hockey and still be rich and have their kids rich for years and year and years. Not so with many NHL players and future wannabe NHL players.

It's the same thing....the owners want the major concession and the players having admitted the league is in trouble will have to give it to them. The major concession the owners want is cost certainty.

 

[kerrly]

Yes, if something doesn't happen through the media it must not have happened at all...

Gary Bettman in his press conference yesterday said they made 3 proposals withouth recieving a counter proposal. If that was not fact, Goodenow would have immediately dismissed those claims in his press conference later that evening.

 

[barnburner]

After yesterday, Goodenow is afraid to make a proposal, for fear that it
might be accepted.

 

[NHLFanSince2020]

The NHLPA doesn't have to make counter proposals.

They just have to sit there, not compromise, pretend to get mad and be insulted, criticize the owners, and wait. That's the BG MO.

 

[Lanny MacDonald*]

Because they know that what they want is not what the owners want. They figure why make proposals that will only waste people's time since they know they won't accept what the PA wants AND the owners keeping making propsals anyways. They've made their concessions, it's time for the owners to do that.

So inother words the players have refused to negotiate. Thank you finally admitting that. Getting that weight ioff your shoulders must feel incredible!

 

[mackdogs*]

An uneducated outsider must think the PA has all the power here and are calling the shots. Let's see, the players are the ones who use the NHL as their source of revenue and a large percentage are not making any income now by not playing. Some are playing... at a fraction of their 'usual' salaries. Meanwhile the owners are all making money their usual way - with their primary businesses.

People keep asking why bother presenting a new offer that they know will be rejected. Well, how about to instigate discussions and maybe open a door they never saw before? It's like the PA has hung up their gloves and are just egging the league on to cancel the season. What the heck are these guys thinking??!!

 

[Lanny MacDonald*]

What the heck are these guys thinking??!!

It's becoming more and more obvious they aren't. They remind me of the insurgents in Iraq who are bombing the living hell out of their own country to "gain their freedom". The players sit there and watch as their union fiddles while the league burns around them, thinking for a second that they are doing damage to anyone but themselves. They continually do more and more damage hoping the other side will fold, not realizing that they will inherit what ever is left of what they destroy, and the otherside will go on their merry way.

News flash idiots!!! These men are billionaires who make their money elsewhere and will continue to make money in other industries that support their lifestyle as it is. They will not suffer should the NHL fail. Conversely the vast majority of NHL players are poorly educated and have no vast money reserves nor other opportunities to make the same level of income they do in the NHL. They are tearing down their one opportunity to cash in. They are burning the winning lottery ticket to spite someone who has more money than they can imagine. You can't win, even if the league fails and these men lose millions from the failure of the league (which they get to write off and make huge money on anyways). So all you pea-brained players need to clue in. You're not hurting the owners with your actions. You're only hurting yourself and the thousadns of people who make money from the hockey related industries. I pity you morons should the NHL fold and all those people are out of work. Who knows if they will follow through on Chelios' threats from 10 years ago?

 

[HckyFght*]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

And you believe that?

 

[Munchausen]

I can already see the outcome of today's meeting... Let me guess, philosophical differences?

I'll tell you how this thing should be settled.

A couple glove slaps in the face to properly initiate a good ol' fashioned mano a mano pistol duel. Then at dawn (for dramatic reasons), the two egocentric characters each carefully choose an old semi-working one-shot rusty pistol, walk 10 steps in opposite directions, turn, and bang!!!

Maybe Bettman should yell CAP! while Goodenow screems NO CAP! when firing, again, for dramatic purposes. The one left standing gets his system implemented for a 28 game season.

BTW, this should take place in Texas to make sure the one still alive after the confrontation gets the chair. Two birds with one stone. The perfect plan.

 

[HF2002]

because the PA doesn't run a huge propoganda machine or care as much about public perception of their stance.

In the same manner that people point out that the fans aren't going to see the owners, you'd think public perception would be pretty high on their priority list.