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Who's worth more relative to his payday, Wheeler or Byfuglien?
I wish I had an answer for you.
I wish I had an answer for you.
What he said.Buff's ability to drag below average NHL talent to acceptable levels might be more valuable than any winger in the NHL.
Easily Buff as we already know that he's provided value for two of his 5 year deal and looks to be on track for year 3. Couple that with only 2 years of term left after this and it is far less risky.
Wheeler doesn't start his 5 year deal until next season and it carries significantly more risk.
Buff's ability to drag below average NHL talent to acceptable levels might be more valuable than any winger in the NHL.
I don't think that was the question. It isn't asking which is a better contract. Just look at 1 payday. Who provides more value? Based on the difference in the team with/without Buff that we have just seen, it is easily Buff. That is on this year's contract, much less next years. But Wheeler's leadership doesn't show there. The difference wouldn't show even if Wheeler missed a couple of games. It would show if he was really gone though.
OTOH, Buff's value is magnified by our lack of a #4 Dman, or even a good #5 who can step up. Buff in the lineup carries a #6 in a #4 role. Buff out leaves 2 #6's playing together as #3 & #4. They get exposed.
I associate value with play and contract. Buff is more valuable for what he makes then Wheeler. Defense is a more important position and as mentioned Buff can drive a pairing with an Inferior talent. Wheeler right now is more passenger on his line at ES then driver so its not a hard question to answer. Buff is also a leader in the room so that part is a wash.
I don't think that was the question. It isn't asking which is a better contract. Just look at 1 payday. Who provides more value? Based on the difference in the team with/without Buff that we have just seen, it is easily Buff. That is on this year's contract, much less next years. But Wheeler's leadership doesn't show there. The difference wouldn't show even if Wheeler missed a couple of games. It would show if he was really gone though.
OTOH, Buff's value is magnified by our lack of a #4 Dman, or even a good #5 who can step up. Buff in the lineup carries a #6 in a #4 role. Buff out leaves 2 #6's playing together as #3 & #4. They get exposed.
The line up on paper is always messed up. If you go by playing time it'sBuff is a different kind of leader. That is a good thing. I wouldn't quite call it a wash though. Wheeler wears the 'C' and is the leader, but I agree with all your points.
Even with the improvement in the 2nd line (are they back to being 2nd yet?), I think Wheeler and Scheif need to be split up if we are to get the full value out of Wheeler. As it is, he will continue to be a passenger.
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_____________________________________________________Easily Buff as we already know that he's provided value for two of his 5 year deal and looks to be on track for year 3. Couple that with only 2 years of term left after this and it is far less risky.
Wheeler doesn't start his 5 year deal until next season and it carries significantly more risk.
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Significantly more risk--I'll say !! --it's a very risky contract for the Jets, and the one that could really hurt the hockey club. He isn't a super star in the NHL, but just an above average hard working forward, and a good leader.
I'd really would like to have see him signed for about $ 7 mil over 4 years, but I guess the Jet's thought they'd lose him to free agency, and they likely would have. If he could keep in very good shape, like a guy like Marleau for the Leafs, it may work out to be OK for both sides ?? I think we lose in the last 2 years of that contract though. It's risky !!!
That is one hell of a lot of money to pay to a guy with a little over average talent level.
Buff's contract is a great one, and we'll get full value plus for it- there's no comparison IMO.
I'd rather have Gaudreau and his contract. But you are right he is in good company.you really couldn't be more wrong. He Is actually a superstar. He just hasn't been recognised as one.
NHL Player Stats in Last 5 Seasons
take a look at who is above Blake and who is Below him on this list and try and say he isn't worth the money.
_______________________________________________________you really couldn't be more wrong. He is actually a superstar. He just hasn't been recognized as one.
NHL Player Stats in Last 5 Seasons
take a look at who is above Blake and who is Below him on this list and try and say he isn't worth the money.
Buff's ability to drag below average NHL talent to acceptable levels might be more valuable than any winger in the NHL.
_________________________________________________________Wheeler never misses games so we can't really say what the team is like without him...we know what the Jets are like without Buff.
I think the edge goes to Buff especially if we are considering playoffs.
If Buff is still in shape and can play 18-20 or so minutes a game in a strictly shutdown role, I'd resign him for 2 more years I'd re-sign him for 2 more years. He's a smart player that will, I think, adapt well as he ages.