HansonBro
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The guys in the convo being Fedor, GSP, Jones and Silva.
We will see how Jones looks in his return.
Wondering your opinions on Gracie then. Was he just too far ahead of his generation at the time? A lightweight beating heavyweights is a big deal. Especially with multiple fights in one night
The absolute top of the heap:
Fedor Emelianenko
Undefeated Streak: 33* (TK "loss" due to cut from illegal strike, tournament format required a winner to advance so could not be ruled a no contest)
UFC Title Defenses: N/A
Notable Wins: Nogueira x2 (PRIDE & Interim UFC HW Champ), Coleman (UFC HW Champ), Randleman (UFC HW Champ), Sylvia (UFC HW Champ), Arlovski (UFC HW Champ), Filipovic (PRIDE GP champ), Hunt, Arona, Schilt
Comments: Probably a natural LHW. Dominant from 2000-2009. Biggest criticism is not fighting top competition from 2007 onward. Struggled to earn several wins.
Jon Jones
Undefeated Streak: 22* (1 loss due to DQ)
UFC Title Defenses: 8
Notable Wins: Rua (UFC LHW Champ, PRIDE GP champ), Jackson (UFC LHW Champ), Machida (UFC LHW Champ), Evans (UFC LHW Champ), Belfort (UFC LHW Champ), Cormier (UFC LHW Champ, Strikeforce GP Champ), Gustavson, Teixiera, Sonnen
Comments: Issues outside the cage, but inside the cage there is no question to his dominance from 2009-2015.
Anderson Silva
Undefeated Streak: 20* (17 if you exclude his DQ for an illegal upkick)
UFC Title Defenses: 11* (10 if you exclude Lutter fight where he missed weight)
Notable Wins: Henderson (PRIDE MW & WW Champ, SF LHW Champ), Franklin x2 (UFC MW Champ), Belfort (UFC LHW Champ), Griffin (UFC LHW Champ), Okami, Newton (UFC WW Champ), Marquardt (SF WW Champ), Maia, Sonnen x2
Comments: Fought in multiple divisions. Almost always completely dominant in his performances.
Honourable mentions:
Georges St. Pierre
Cyborg Justino
Demetrius Johnson
Jose Aldo
BJ Penn
Others:
Dominick Cruz
Daniel Cormier
Randy Couture
Tito Ortiz
Frank Shamrock
Dan Henderson
Chuck Liddell
Kazushi Sakuraba
Bas Rutten
Big Nog
Wanderlei Silva
Royce Gracie
GSP has to be in that top tier.
I would also move Cormier up a tier. He is very underrated because he can't beat Jones, but he has put together an awesome resume.
Based on what criteria is GSP worthy of top tier? I don't know... his undefeated streak is at 12, which a handful of others can match. His most notable wins are against Penn, Hughes, Diaz, Condit, and Hendricks.
I love GSP and he was amazing, but I just don't know if he is quite in the same conversation as the 3 I've listed. I just can't put together an argument that sensibly includes him and not also a handful of other athletes.
I think his resume kind of speaks for itself. Long-running champion in a deep division that always fought the top contenders. I have him ahead of Fedor because of the quality of the resume, though I do have Fedor as the 4th head on the MMA Mt Rushmore.
I have:
Jones
Silva
GSP
Fedor
.. then for 5th I would be fine with a large number of choices. BJ Penn would be much further down my list than most though, wouldn't crack my top ten.
"resume kind of speaks for itself"
"quality of the resume"
Can you qualify those statements? I think there's just too much subjective bias involved.
I think GSP would have had to not get knocked out by Serra, or suffer that first loss to Hughes to be in the conversation. And stay in the game and win a Hendricks rematch.
He consistently fought (and beat) the top competition in his division for many years. And, a good division too - he wasn't beating up nobodies like DJ, Aldo, or Fedor. The Serra loss and his lack of finishing ability is what separates him from being at the Anderson Silva level.
"many years" = 5 years.
As far as quality of opponents go, all fighters mentioned beat exceptional opponents and some less exceptional ones. They were all indisputably at the absolute top of the heap in their divisions.
Over 6 years.
But that's fine, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm not even a big GSP or anything, but he's earned his place near the top.
Sorry, I miscounted. You're right. It is just over 6 years. I still think it's quantifiably outstripped by Fedor's run, but GSP would be the guy if he stuck around and won a rematch against Hendricks, and beat guys like Woodley, Lawler, Wonderboy.
The absolute top of the heap:
Fedor Emelianenko
Undefeated Streak: 33* (TK "loss" due to cut from illegal strike, tournament format required a winner to advance so could not be ruled a no contest)
UFC Title Defenses: N/A
Notable Wins: Nogueira x2 (PRIDE & Interim UFC HW Champ), Coleman (UFC HW Champ), Randleman (UFC HW Champ), Sylvia (UFC HW Champ), Arlovski (UFC HW Champ), Filipovic (PRIDE GP champ), Hunt, Arona, Schilt
Comments: Probably a natural LHW. Dominant from 2000-2009. Biggest criticism is not fighting top competition from 2007 onward. Struggled to earn several wins.
Jon Jones
Undefeated Streak: 22* (1 loss due to DQ)
UFC Title Defenses: 8
Notable Wins: Rua (UFC LHW Champ, PRIDE GP champ), Jackson (UFC LHW Champ), Machida (UFC LHW Champ), Evans (UFC LHW Champ), Belfort (UFC LHW Champ), Cormier (UFC LHW Champ, Strikeforce GP Champ), Gustavson, Teixiera, Sonnen
Comments: Issues outside the cage, but inside the cage there is no question to his dominance from 2009-2015.
Anderson Silva
Undefeated Streak: 20* (17 if you exclude his DQ for an illegal upkick)
UFC Title Defenses: 11* (10 if you exclude Lutter fight where he missed weight)
Notable Wins: Henderson (PRIDE MW & WW Champ, SF LHW Champ), Franklin x2 (UFC MW Champ), Belfort (UFC LHW Champ), Griffin (UFC LHW Champ), Okami, Newton (UFC WW Champ), Marquardt (SF WW Champ), Maia, Sonnen x2
Comments: Fought in multiple divisions. Almost always completely dominant in his performances.
Honourable mentions:
Georges St. Pierre
Cyborg Justino
Demetrius Johnson
Jose Aldo
BJ Penn
Others:
Dominick Cruz
Daniel Cormier
Randy Couture
Tito Ortiz
Frank Shamrock
Dan Henderson
Chuck Liddell
Kazushi Sakuraba
Bas Rutten
Big Nog
Wanderlei Silva
Royce Gracie