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Yeah, makes no sense. Not sure why folks keep talking about a Franzen buyout. Sure, he's inconsistent, but he scores and he's cheap.
Exactly, you aren't going to replace a player like Frazen for his cap hit, HELL NO!
Yeah, makes no sense. Not sure why folks keep talking about a Franzen buyout. Sure, he's inconsistent, but he scores and he's cheap.
Exactly, you aren't going to replace a player like Frazen for his cap hit, HELL NO!
28 years old, or 33 years old?
Righty or lefty?
Sign someone to a 4-5 year contract, or pay them until 2020?
If it's the difference of 1 or 1.5 mil (4 for Franzen compared to 5 or 5.5 for Horton), then I'll go with Horton.
6 million seems like a lot for Horton, if he could be had closer to 5 I would do it in a heartbeat.
What's so great about Horton?
He's younger than Franzen. That seems to be the argument.
Nope. the real argument is that he is great fit for Red Wings. Right handed, big. Younger net-front prescense for older core.
For Blues or Kings, he is not so great fit. They have more righties and size, so somebody like Filppula with speed and left-handed guy is better fit for them.
Different teams have different needs. Horton matches perfectly with Wings need.
That's what I said.
Why is it an either or thing, have Franzen and Horton. Babs and Holland have both said why want to get bigger, younger and score more goals. I don't see the issue with potentially signing Horton at all. Additionally sometimes you have to "overpay" to fill a need. Who cares if we pay him 5.5 instead of 4.5, we pay hacks 2-3 mil every year anyway.
We have 5-10 mil in cap space. I don't think the idea of adding Horton would be to replace anyone.
It is to make us competitive and deep.
Compare and contrast Horton and Franzen/whoever all day, but I don't think that would be the point of adding him to our team.
We get bigger (didn't say "more physical") and more talented.
How can anyone argue against THAT?
We have 5-10 mil in cap space. I don't think the idea of adding Horton would be to replace anyone.
It is to make us competitive and deep.
Compare and contrast Horton and Franzen/whoever all day, but I don't think that would be the point of adding him to our team.
We get bigger (didn't say "more physical") and more talented.
How can anyone argue against THAT?
It makes this kind of effect in our net-front/cornerworker hierachy.
Our current hierarchy was:
1.Franzen
2.Bertuzzi
3.Abdelkader
4.Cleary
If we get Horton, the new hierarchy would be:
1. Horton > Franzen
2. Franzen > Bertuzzi
3. Bertuzzi > Abdelkader
4. Abdelkader > Cleary
So getting a player like Horton that is better than any current same role player in our team, we get a better player in every position.
Horton's play in the corners and in front of the net leaves much to be desired. If you're not happy with Franzen, you won't be happy with Horton. Much like Penner, Horton always looks better than he actually is in the playoffs.
Yes, he would shine at the playoffs, when Datsyuk puts him to shine. Just like Krejci puts him to shine at Boston.
Horton has great net and board play, the guy wins almost all his puck battles so I have no clue what you are talking about here.That's fine. I agree that if we're buying Horton it's to be a goal scorer, not for any other reason such as physical, net or board play. Nothing wrong with investing money in a top line goal scorer like Horton, but there is only disappointment in setting the expectation for something he isn't.
Horton has great net and board play, the guy wins almost all his puck battles so I have no clue what you are talking about here.
Nothing wrong with investing money in a top line goal scorer like Horton, but there is only disappointment in setting the expectation for something he isn't'That's fine. I agree that if we're buying Horton it's to be a goal scorer, not for any other reason such as physical, net or board play. Nothing wrong with investing money in a top line goal scorer like Horton, but there is only disappointment in setting the expectation for something he isn't.
Nothing wrong with investing money in a top line goal scorer like Horton, but there is only disappointment in setting the expectation for something he isn't'
well your disappointment will come in thinking that he is a top line goal scorer. He is extremely streaky and is not a top line scorer in that sense of the wording. He fits very well with Krejci and Lucic but the guy is a 25 goal scorer, hardly what I call a top line goal scorer. Your disappointment of his physical, net and board play won't come to fruition. Horton is a beauty in front of the net, on the boards and knows WHEN to play physical. He goes through lulls, but when he is on, he is very physical. Watch a game and stop stat watching with HITS.
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"Yes, let's justify overspending on hacks by overspending on unrestricted free agents too. Sounds like proper cap management and the fast track to success."
I will chop this up to the fact you are hungover and not thinking clearly today.
The point is if your going to "overpay" someone by 1 million overpay someone who is going to make a really positive impact on the team, not a Sammy, or a KFQ, or a 22, or heaven forbid Cleary next year.