I left this thread a long time ago. I only returned because a certain poster was repeatedly dropping my name in all his posts, and basically taking a big crap over everything I said...with most of it being incorrect, or an outright misrepresentation. I can find a dozen quotes, easy, of him doing that very thing...a lot of it pretty personal. Most reasonable people would say that someone who is on the receiving of personal attacks is a victim, so...
I'm perfectly happy to leave again, but if people keep dragging my posts through the mud, it's my right to defend them. I said that I was happy to agree to disagree, yet here you are engaging me again. If you want me to leave again, stop engaging me, stop trashing my posts, and agree to disagree like a reasonable adult should be able to do.
Bull**** I've seen probably close to a hundred games of Anders Lee over the last several years. I know exactly what sort of player he is.
I'm not ignoring any of your points. I don't agree with them for a whole host of reasons, which I've explained, and which you don't agree with. Agree to disagree.
Get down off your high hill, King of the Straw Man. I've never said that I know more about Lee than anyone else. I've never said that my opinion is the only valid opinion. Etc.
Every post you make, you accuse me of a number of things I've never actually said. Stop putting words in my mouth, and I'll stop correcting you.
CodeE said:
For someone so upset with personal attacks, you sure enjoy calling me "King of the Straw Man".
You keep refuting positions that I've never taken, but that you continue to attribute to me, in defense of your own position. That's the definition of a straw-man, no? There's, what, seven such examples in just your last two posts? I keep point them out. You keep doing it anyway.
You made a poor argument. The many reasons as to why it's a poor argument have been explained. Stats have been used, zone charts, analogies, etc. By your own words, you "don't agree", and choose not to address them.
Not accurate. You're conflating agreement with addressing. I've explained exactly why I don't think that cherry-picked case studies is a convincing argument, and I've specifically discussed the heat zone map. I've addressed them both in depth. They have not been ignored, but I do not agree with them.
If you want to alter that argument, considering all the factors me and other Islander fans are talking about, well I'd love to hear version 2.0 of "Why Anders Lee will Regress". If you once again want to go back to version 1.0, "his numbers are unsustainable because other NHL players", you've again failed to grasp anything outside your immediate bubble.
You accuse me of "failing to grasp anything outside [my] immediate bubble" because I disagree with your arguments, or do not find them compelling for one reason or another. How is what you're doing with regards to my arguments any different? Seems like a pot calling the kettle black situation to me.
Funny how no Rangers, Devils, Penguins, Flyers, Blue Jackets, Hurricanes, or Caps fans have decided to agree whole-heartedly with what you're saying. Just a small handful of Blues fans who say Anders Lee is worth Carl Gunnarsson or Jay Bouwmeester and unironically use the phrase "Hilarious Clinton" instead of "Hillary Clinton". Our division rivals have seen enough of Lee to respect him, the same way I'm not going to go around posting negatively about guys like Provorov, Weresnki, Aho, or Guentzel.
The validity/quality of an argument is in no way dependent on whether or not it receives rave reviews from the masses.
You imply that I don't respect Lee. That's untrue, as I've point out a number of times before. You just seem incapable of perceiving this discussion as anything other than an "attack" on him.
Furthermore, I know for a fact the Islanders are not a very exciting team to watch. We don't get the Stadium Series games, the NBCSN games. This year we got a few more eyes because people wanted to watch the Barzal show, but spare me the "I've seen TONS of Islander games actually I'm an expert on them!" I'm not watching very many Coyotes or Panthers games to give myself the credentials to call Sasha Barkov overrated, and there's no reason for a Blues fan to watch one third of Anders Lee's career (he's only had 343 career games), on top of Blues games, and other NHL games, and other shows, and other life obligations.
I never claimed to be an "expert" on them (man, there are so very many of these misrepresentations in your posts), nor am I using that "expertise" as some sort of one-up or prop for my opinions.
I only said that I was very familiar with Anders Lee because people were saying that I was not familiar with his style/haven't seen him play...and that's just flat-out wrong.
Sure, I don't tune in every night, but that's hardly required to be familiar with a player's style. Heck, anyone paying attention during even a single playoff series is probably going to have at least a passing familiarity of the varying styles for any notable individual players on the other team. That's a mere 4-7 games. After just 10-20 games of paying attention, one should have a pretty darn good idea of what a player's about.
I've seen a good deal more games of Lee than that over the last four years. Not nearly as many games as an Islanders fan, but more than enough to know how Lee plays the game and contributes to the offense.
I'm not sure why you're saying that "it's a fact" that they are not enjoyable to watch, as if that could be a thing. I enjoy watching them a great deal.
The problem is you feel you not only have the right to post negatively about Lee, (trash Lee? criticize Lee? Whatever soft term you wanna use) but then get all huffy and offended when your poor argument gets torn to pieces. Again I refer you to the comic:
I absolutely have the right to post my opinion on this forum, whether you consider it to be "negative" or not.
I'm "huffy" because of posts like these:
Easton deliberately framed his answer to mislead, by using all players. he deliberately avoided using like kind players for a reason. to get the preconceived answer he wished.
Colt im not saying you should, im just pointing out that easton is making a bogus argumentw hich he knows is false on its face.
and just to be clear I never said lee was better than Tarasenko, but whay I did say was that eastons comparison was full of **** because their style of play is totally different and using "unsustainable" shot percentage on a player like Lee is ridiculous and eastonblues knew it.
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as soon as easton brought him up he exposed himself and his agenda
only fools with an agenda like easton do that
Easton knew all that, and despite that he presented a deliberately misleading argument that was meant to obscure the truth , not only obscure the truth but to bury it.
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why validate a flawed argument
Easton knew what he was doing now he must live with the consequences
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easton knew what he did
thats what gets me, when even otherwise intelligent posters like Easton blues who i really respected before this, goes out of his way, to basically make a clearly bogus argument to knock Lee like He did.
believe what you want easton, at least now people know you were full of it
These are not constructive comments. They are personal, and (in conjunction with other parts of those posts) a misrepresentation of both my position and intent.
I'm pretty sure if I started slagging and misrepresenting you repeatedly, you would get "huffy" and respond as well. I mean, one could easily interpret your current tone as huffy and offended, and nobody was talking about you at all.
Nobody's asking you to strongly defend your criticisms of Anders Lee
Your criticisms of Anders Lee serve no purpose and only make Islander fans mock the flimsiness of your arguments
If you want to continue to stick around and "criticize", be prepared to be "criticized" back.
Nobody is asking you to "strongly defend" Lee from my opinions, either, and yet here you are.
I'm sticking around to correct those who continue to misrepresent me. Stop doing that, and I'll leave. Pretty simple.
