What players (in your eyes) solidified themselves as HOF'ers after this season.

[BigBadBruins7708]

Tim Thomas had just two outstanding seasons and many mediocre ones.

Same for Bobrovsky, yet he's generally seen as in. Not to mention Bob's lows are way lower than Thomas's

 

[Fantomas]

Same for Bobrovsky, yet he's generally seen as in. Not to mention Bob's lows are way lower than Thomas's

I think Thomas still has a case. But Bobrovsky has a better one. Apart from the two Vezinas, he has by my count another six seasons I would classify as strong plus additional filler. He also has his own Stanley Cup run, which is no chopped liver. Thomas's career is quite short and that gives one pause. Still I wouldn't discount him.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Hedman’s a subtle one. His reputation is more compelling than his stats and awards. Assuming he finishes in the 3-4 range for the Norris, that will be his 5th such finish. He needs to compile a certain number of these seasons to solidify his case compared to a Shea Weber.

I think Hedman is first ballot no questions asked. Weber should be in as well even though he didn't win a Norris - which is a travesty

 

[triggrman]

McDavid will pass Kariya in points soon.

Josi should finish in the top 25 of defensemen scoring and the top scoring Swiss player of all time.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I'm not sure there is a single player who fits the criteria here. Thoughts on the players OP brought up:

Matthews: he will become a hall of famer, but this year alone really didn't change anything. if he retired in a month I would say he's not a hall of famer, but he will easily accumulate enough accolades going forward to get in, even if the Leafs never have any team success with him.

Josi: 50/50 and I don't think this season has solidified anything. More team success/stats compiling will continue to help him but still needs a few more years for me to view it as "solidified."

Makar: Same as Matthews basically, but with team success. This season doesn't move the needle one way or another, just more of the same from him. Obviously he will eventually get in, don't think he'd get in tomorrow though due to # of games.

Marchand: not even 1000 career points, no hardware. extremely fringe case right now, I bet he gets in eventually because he's a bruin but certainly not solidified this season. probably needs at least 2-3 more years near ppg

Panarin: On track for HoF but not there yet and this season does not "solidify" anything. Bure is a very poor comparison, he had 3 rockets (2 but 1 year w/ most goals before the trophy became a thing) and nearly twice as many goals as Panarin currently has. Panarin has no hardware.

 

[Kingfan1967]

One year will not make a player make the HOF, at best it will cause the voters to give them a closer look and tip the scales in their favor, but they need to have a good record to be considered.

 

[Crosby2010]

I think it is getting harder to ignore Bobrovsky. The thing that held him back in the past was a lack of playoff success. Well, he had that last year. And he's having a great year this year, as are the Panthers. There aren't a lot of goalies out there I'd call future HHOFers.

I agree with the ones that have said Marchand. He's probably been good enough for a long enough amount of seasons by now.

Pietrangelo is adding to his resume I think. Even if he isn't having a Norris caliber year.

I don't know if another year has changed much for Brent Burns but he is still playing decent out there at his age and could be poised for another Cup run.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I'm not sure there is a single player who fits the criteria here. Thoughts on the players OP brought up:

Matthews: he will become a hall of famer, but this year alone really didn't change anything. if he retired in a month I would say he's not a hall of famer, but he will easily accumulate enough accolades going forward to get in, even if the Leafs never have any team success with him.

Josi: 50/50 and I don't think this season has solidified anything. More team success/stats compiling will continue to help him but still needs a few more years for me to view it as "solidified."

Makar: Same as Matthews basically, but with team success. This season doesn't move the needle one way or another, just more of the same from him. Obviously he will eventually get in, don't think he'd get in tomorrow though due to # of games.

Marchand: not even 1000 career points, no hardware. extremely fringe case right now, I bet he gets in eventually because he's a bruin but certainly not solidified this season. probably needs at least 2-3 more years near ppg

Panarin: On track for HoF but not there yet and this season does not "solidify" anything. Bure is a very poor comparison, he had 3 rockets (2 but 1 year w/ most goals before the trophy became a thing) and nearly twice as many goals as Panarin currently has. Panarin has no hardware.

Marchand is in.

2x AS-1
2x AS-2
3,5,5,6 point finishes
Cup, Olympic Gold, WC Gold, WJC Gold

There's a lot of guys with less in already

 

[The Podium]

I'm not sure there is a single player who fits the criteria here. Thoughts on the players OP brought up:

Matthews: he will become a hall of famer, but this year alone really didn't change anything. if he retired in a month I would say he's not a hall of famer, but he will easily accumulate enough accolades going forward to get in, even if the Leafs never have any team success with him.

How many players with his trophy case are not in the HHOF?

Calder
1 Hart
1 Ted Lindsay
3 Rockets
1 First team All star

He is probably a lock without ever playing another game

 

[Elysian]

Joe Pavelski.

A crime it took this many posts to mention Joe.

 

[Elysian]

Corey Perry. Not only did he win everything there is to win, and re-invented his play as a very servicable bottom-six player, but he also made the whole Blackhawks org look even worse than they already are with the "Perry banged Baby Jesus' mom" stuff. Crucify me all you want, deep down you know I'm right.

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[tarheelhockey]

So as I said, you found a bunch of threads on hfboards with plenty of people being wrong. I can find many more for you, if you like. But who cares?

If you had followed the entire thread of the conversation, you’d see why it was relevant. I wasn’t arguing about whether people were right or wrong, I stated that the argument existed and was asked to provide proof and did so. So I’m not sure what the argument is about right now.

 

[Calderon]

Saw Quinn Hughes mentioned. Even if he wins the Norris this season he's not close getting in yet.

Panarin, Marner, Tkachuk? Lol no, none of them have won anything yet and they are still in their prime years.

 

[Ol' Jase]

How many players with his trophy case are not in the HHOF?

Calder
1 Hart
1 Ted Lindsay
3 Rockets
1 First team All star

He is probably a lock without ever playing another game

554 games played just doesn’t get it done. He has to play more games.

 

[The Panther]

Am I the only person who doesn't have Stamkos as a lock?

Stamkos was already a slam-dunk Hall of Famer two or three years ago .

While it's true that Stamkos hasn't been the guy to generally "drive the play" since his big leg injury, and also true that he has had a lot of help over his career to score (Martin St. Louis passes in early days; Lightnings' all-star PP in latter days), there's no denying this:

Goals FInishes: 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 7, 9
Points Finishes: 2, 2, 5, 5, 6, 9
Stanley Cups: 2 (as captain; albeit he barely played in one), and also 3 conference championships in a row (he was a factor in two of them)
Goals scored this century: 1) Ovechkin, 2) Crosby, 3) Stamkos
Goals-per-game 2009-10 to 2014-15: 1) Stamkos .613 (i.e., higher than Ovechkin)

By the end of this season, he'll probably be #30 all time in NHL goals, and next season will pass Guy Lafleur, Mike Modano, Mike Bossy, etc. In two years, he may be top 20 all time, and if you were to "adjust" those rankings to league-average scoring levels, he'll probably end up top-15 or higher.

It also helps that he played on a very good team in the latter half of his career, and that he had his first 100+ point season at age 32, which is unusual. Then, there's also the fact that he's a smiley, well-liked player with friends in the right places.

He checks all the boxes.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

How many players with his trophy case are not in the HHOF?

Calder
1 Hart
1 Ted Lindsay
3 Rockets
1 First team All star

He is probably a lock without ever playing another game

He’s 100% a lock. There’s players with far smaller trophy cases and not that many more GP that are in.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Corey Perry. Not only did he win everything there is to win, and re-invented his play as a very servicable bottom-six player, but he also made the whole Blackhawks org look even worse than they already are with the "Perry banged Baby Jesus' mom" stuff. Crucify me all you want, deep down you know I'm right.

“That’s a hell of a weird thing to put on the plaque, but alright.” - Bust quote engraver guy.

 

[Ishdul]

right now have neither McDavid or Matthews in the hall of fame. McDavid is sitting on 976 pts and Matthews on 640 pts. Pts are the usual starting point for hall of famers discussion and then comes the hardware. IF Matthews is a hall of famer than Mitch Marner with 630 pts in 569 games is in the discussion. There used to be a line of 500 goals and 1000pts for healthy players but I think some have lowered it 400 goals and 1000 pts for forwards

I think we're now going well past the point of sanity. There have been a ton of forwards who didn't get 1000 points for forwards (or even close) and got in, and McDavid is levels above any of them. Even at the peak of offense these numbers were never requirements and we're not talking about guys who were the unquestioned best player in the league for 8 years.

Is there any two time Rocket winners to not make the hall? I think he was a lock before this season

Bondra is not in the Hall of Fame with two Rockets.

At the beginning of last season, 20% of respondents had Karlsson not making the Hall of Fame:

Do Erik Karlsson and Sergei Bobrovsky make the Hall of Fame?

Both have been voted best at their position twice. For a long time, the consensus was that if you won at least two Vezina or Norris trophies, you were Hall of Fame material. The last guy to win two Vezinas and not make it (so far) is Tim Thomas. Duncan Keith will likely make it, unless the...

forums.hfboards.com

April 2021, it was more like 25%

Will Erik Karlsson make the HOF?

After a stellar start to his career, he's basically been bad or mediocre in SJ. Will ~6 amazing years be enough to make him an HOFer?

forums.hfboards.com

His 2022-23 season abruptly ended those debates, but there very much was a groundswell of sentiment against him as a HHOFer because he was getting brutally dragged by commentators on a nightly basis. I think he still would have made the HHOF even without the extra Norris, but it would have been a much more controversial choice than it is now.

I wouldn't take HF boards as a great source for these questions. There were threads deeply questioning the HF odds of players like Iginla, St. Louis, Chara, Lundqvist and Thornton well past the point that they were locks to make it.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

right now have neither McDavid or Matthews in the hall of fame. McDavid is sitting on 976 pts and Matthews on 640 pts. Pts are the usual starting point for hall of famers discussion and then comes the hardware. IF Matthews is a hall of famer than Mitch Marner with 630 pts in 569 games is in the discussion. There used to be a line of 500 goals and 1000pts for healthy players but I think some have lowered it 400 goals and 1000 pts for forwards

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Calder
Rocket
Rocket

Already in HOF

 

[GMR]

Jeff Skinner.

Too many playoff chokers listed in this thread. Skinner has never had that label.

 

[NVious]

437 G 342 A

Calder
Rocket
Rocket

Already in HOF

Both of them are easily in the HOF, especially McDavid who if he decided to take up streaming Roblox (his true passion) tomorrow would get in the following day.

Matthews would have the benefit of the Toronto vote, but if he decided to pursue his true calling (Avocado farm in Mexico) and retired after this season, he'd easily get in as well. Add in a Hart/Lindsay/All stars to what you said and a 3rd rocket with the highest goal season in the past 30 years, it's way more than enough.

Not even sure what people are watching saying this year doesn't change anything, I mean isn't HOF for doing stuff hardly seen aka when he puts up 66+, that'll be the first time in 30+ years

 

[snipes]

Hedman’s a subtle one. His reputation is more compelling than his stats and awards. Assuming he finishes in the 3-4 range for the Norris, that will be his 5th such finish. He needs to compile a certain number of these seasons to solidify his case compared to a Shea Weber.

Hedman is a first ballot HoFer. His Smythe run in the playoffs was unreal in addition to all the other accolades.

 

[FlameChampion]

Hyman and Ekholm

 

[Sentinel]

Is there any two time Rocket winners to not make the hall? I think he was a lock before this season

Peter Bondra.

 

[Fantomas]

If you had followed the entire thread of the conversation, you’d see why it was relevant. I wasn’t arguing about whether people were right or wrong, I stated that the argument existed and was asked to provide proof and did so. So I’m not sure what the argument is about right now.

"We’ve seen guys like Karlsson and Weber who were considered absolute no-brainer locks at one point, turn into topics of debate when they didn’t age all that well."

What you wrote is just banal. No one cares about the debates here. They don't matter. Karlsson and Weber didn't lose their standing because of some guys posting on hfboards.