What is blashill doing with Howard and Mrazek?

[smtevo]

This really reminds me of peewee hockey where both the goalies play every other game to be "fair". Mrazek plays against the flames and posts a .930 sv % with a win and gets benched the next game...what? I could see if it was a back to back but it wasnt. Im sick of the goalie rotation, I dont care if Howard gets pissy because he rides the pine...this is the NHL.

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[aar000n]

I have a strong feeling of déjà vu with this thread. Having said that Howard appears to have lost lateral movement leading to goals.

 

[Mijatovic]

Mrazek plays against the flames and posts a .930 sv % with a win and gets benched the next game...what?

I will help with some reasons why Mrazek isnt the number 1.

DEC 22 '15 NJD @ DET L 1 11 10 .909 43:57
DEC 05 '15 NSH @ DET W 4 32 28 .875 61:38
DEC 01 '15 BUF @ DET W 4 32 28 .875 65:00
NOV 25 '15 BOS @ DET O 3 22 19 .864 63:32
NOV 14 '15 DET @ BOS L 3 31 28 .903 57:38
OCT 27 '15 CAR @ DET L 2 20 18 .900 59:10
OCT 21 '15 DET @ EDM L 3 28 25 .893 56:42

Thats 7 games out of 20 where he would be considered sub-par. Mrazek is not consistent.

 

[smtevo]

I will help with some reasons why Mrazek isnt the number 1.

DEC 22 '15 NJD @ DET L 1 11 10 .909 43:57
DEC 05 '15 NSH @ DET W 4 32 28 .875 61:38
DEC 01 '15 BUF @ DET W 4 32 28 .875 65:00
NOV 25 '15 BOS @ DET O 3 22 19 .864 63:32
NOV 14 '15 DET @ BOS L 3 31 28 .903 57:38
OCT 27 '15 CAR @ DET L 2 20 18 .900 59:10
OCT 21 '15 DET @ EDM L 3 28 25 .893 56:42

Thats 7 games out of 20 where he would be considered sub-par. Mrazek is not consistent.

I can do the same thing with Howard, its not hard....

NOV 27 '15 EDM @ DET W 3 24 21 .875
NOV 21 '15 DET @ STL W 3 33 30 .909
NOV 16 '15 DET @ OTT W 3 25 22 .880
NOV 13 '15 SJS @ DET L 3 14 11 .786
OCT 16 '15 CAR @ DET L 5 36 31 .861

I was not saying Mrazek was consistent...Im saying why not go back to the same goalie that played very well and got you the win the previous game? All other 29 teams must be doing it wrong.

 

[Mijatovic]

Congrats. So they are both playing fairly average. What on earth makes you deadset sure to put Mrazek number 1 and Howard to backup given Howard has been doing the job for near on 5 years and Mrazek still hasnt managed to run a full season in I dont know how long....

You are the one insisting that Mrazek should be clear and obvious number 1 with Howard relegated to playing every 5 games. I would think it would be on your to prove why it should be. I just decided to go one step further and show you why you are wrong.

Until one of the two shows a continuous clear cut advantage over the other, there is no reason to run with 1.

 

[smtevo]

Congrats. So they are both playing fairly average. What on earth makes you deadset sure to put Mrazek number 1 and Howard to backup given Howard has been doing the job for near on 5 years and Mrazek still hasnt managed to run a full season in I dont know how long....

You are the one insisting that Mrazek should be clear and obvious number 1 with Howard relegated to playing every 5 games. I would think it would be on your to prove why it should be. I just decided to go one step further and show you why you are wrong.

Until one of the two shows a continuous clear cut advantage over the other, there is no reason to run with 1.

DEC 20 '15 CGY @ DET W 2 28 26 .929 0 0 60:00
DEC 14 '15 BUF @ DET L 2 30 28 .933 0 0 57:55
DEC 10 '15 MTL @ DET W 2 25 23 .920 0 0 60:00

Mrazek's last 3 games...that doesn't warrant anything? Come on man. Maybe if he gets 10 consecutive shutouts then he will get a shot to be a starter.

Nice argument about Howard doing the job for 5 years and Mrazek for how long, yeah thats a STRONG argument...maybe we should bring Osgood back since he did it for longer than Howard.

 

[PetrPumpknEatr]

Congrats. So they are both playing fairly average. What on earth makes you deadset sure to put Mrazek number 1 and Howard to backup given Howard has been doing the job for near on 5 years and Mrazek still hasnt managed to run a full season in I dont know how long....

You are the one insisting that Mrazek should be clear and obvious number 1 with Howard relegated to playing every 5 games. I would think it would be on your to prove why it should be. I just decided to go one step further and show you why you are wrong.

Until one of the two shows a continuous clear cut advantage over the other, there is no reason to run with 1.

Mrazek is .925 and Jimmy is .916. You can cherry pick all you want, it is what it is.

 

[PetrPumpknEatr]

DEC 20 '15 CGY @ DET W 2 28 26 .929 0 0 60:00
DEC 14 '15 BUF @ DET L 2 30 28 .933 0 0 57:55
DEC 10 '15 MTL @ DET W 2 25 23 .920 0 0 60:00

Mrazek's last 3 games...that doesn't warrant anything? Come on man. Maybe if he gets 10 consecutive shutouts then he will get a shot to be a starter.

Nice argument about Howard doing the job for 5 years and Mrazek for how long, yeah thats a STRONG argument...maybe we should bring Osgood back since he did it for longer than Howard.

Mrazek has been solid this year, very strong. His issue, from my untrained eye, is that when given many games in a row his game begins to falter some. Even when he manages to win those games, he'll give up 4 goals in the effort.

Last year it was more obvious because Mrazek played a couple of long stretches. This year he hasn't played long stretches, but you saw it a little when he played 3 out of 4 during the western road trip and again a couple of weeks ago when he was winning, but giving up 4 goals.

If not for that, his numbers would be outstanding.

The only problem I have with Blashill's decision today is that Jimmy just played 3 out of 4 or 3 out of 5. He went 0-1-2. He didn't play badly, and in one game played well. But not really great. Petr was coming off a big win against Calgary. His last three games were all very strong and he was 2-1-0 in them (one game he lost he gave up only 2).

So I think giving Petr today's game was warranted. I think Petr would have won.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Neither goalie has played great. Both have been fairly inconsistent.

 

[Henkka]

Blashill has to keep rotation and control Mrazek's future caphit like we have already planned before the season. Nothing will change if both stay healthy.

 

[smtevo]

Mrazek has been solid this year, very strong. His issue, from my untrained eye, is that when given many games in a row his game begins to falter some. Even when he manages to win those games, he'll give up 4 goals in the effort.

Last year it was more obvious because Mrazek played a couple of long stretches. This year he hasn't played long stretches, but you saw it a little when he played 3 out of 4 during the western road trip and again a couple of weeks ago when he was winning, but giving up 4 goals.

If not for that, his numbers would be outstanding.

The only problem I have with Blashill's decision today is that Jimmy just played 3 out of 4 or 3 out of 5. He went 0-1-2. He didn't play badly, and in one game played well. But not really great. Petr was coming off a big win against Calgary. His last three games were all very strong and he was 2-1-0 in them (one game he lost he gave up only 2).

So I think giving Petr today's game was warranted. I think Petr would have won.

Exactly my point. If you play good you get the net the next game period until you **** the bed or need a rest. Same goes for Howard, he played great the last 3 games so why not ride him and see what he can do?

Blashill hasnt played a goalie back to back since Novermber 16th if I am reading the stats right. I just think hes not managing them very well and it starts with Mrazek since he is playing good right now and does not seem to be getting rewarded for it.

 

[PetrPumpknEatr]

Neither goalie has played great. Both have been fairly inconsistent.

One more than the other.

 

[RedWingzz]

It's a crime that Mrazek gets the L tonight. This stat is so incredibly flawed in the NHL, and needs to be changed. Howard lays an egg, completely responsible for the loss, yet Mrazek gets the L in his stats. That's unfair.

 

[obey86]

This really reminds me of peewee hockey where both the goalies play every other game to be "fair". Mrazek plays against the flames and posts a .930 sv % with a win and gets benched the next game...what? I could see if it was a back to back but it wasnt. Im sick of the goalie rotation, I dont care if Howard gets pissy because he rides the pine...this is the NHL.

He's waiting for one goalie to really outplay the other and take hold of the position. They've basically been carbon copies this season.

Howard - .922 S%, 2.33 GAA
Mrazek - .925 S%, 2.35 GAA

(stats prior to tonight's game, so have changed a bit)

I know everyone wants Mrazek to be the unquestioned starter...but he's had his share of softy goals against this season too.

 

[obey86]

DEC 20 '15 CGY @ DET W 2 28 26 .929 0 0 60:00
DEC 14 '15 BUF @ DET L 2 30 28 .933 0 0 57:55
DEC 10 '15 MTL @ DET W 2 25 23 .920 0 0 60:00

Mrazek's last 3 games...that doesn't warrant anything? Come on man. Maybe if he gets 10 consecutive shutouts then he will get a shot to be a starter.

Nice argument about Howard doing the job for 5 years and Mrazek for how long, yeah thats a STRONG argument...maybe we should bring Osgood back since he did it for longer than Howard.

And look at Howard's past 4 games prior to tonight's game....he's been even better than Mrazek recently.

.963, .950, .921, .925

 

[PetrPumpknEatr]

He's waiting for one goalie to really outplay the other and take hold of the position. They've basically been carbon copies this season.

Howard - .922 S%, 2.33 GAA
Mrazek - .925 S%, 2.35 GAA

(stats prior to tonight's game, so have changed a bit)

I know everyone wants Mrazek to be the unquestioned starter...but he's had his share of softy goals against this season too.

Howard WAS .922. Now he is .916. He WAS 2.33. Now he's 2.49.

Howard has also played the easier games for the most part.

 

[Mijatovic]

Okay. Using an outlier game where he faced 6 shots and stunk badly are a means of presenting statistical evidence? Classic internet. Just for what its worth, in any normal statistical analysis, that particular game would be expelled from the analysis.

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[SoupNazi]

If this turns into a pissing contest, we'll close it down.

Be nice to each other.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Hopefully Howards performance just clears it all up for Blash. If Mrazek plays good next game and even get the w. Almost any other coach plays Mrazek for the next one.

 

[Mount Suribachi]

FWIW, Mrazek has played 20 games this season, Howard 16. Which given that Mrazek has been slightly better than Howard so far seems about fair. Works out to about a 46/36 game split which seems the way to go till one establishes themselves as the clear cut starter.

His issue, from my untrained eye, is that when given many games in a row his game begins to falter some. Even when he manages to win those games, he'll give up 4 goals in the effort.

Last year it was more obvious because Mrazek played a couple of long stretches. This year he hasn't played long stretches, but you saw it a little when he played 3 out of 4 during the western road trip and again a couple of weeks ago when he was winning, but giving up 4 goals.

Interesting, I always put his 1 in 4 garbage games down to the inexperience of a young goalie, but it could be an overplaying thing. That could still be an inexperience thing mind (lack of conditioning or mental preparedness)

 

[Acoustic]

Mrazek is pretty easily better than Howard. I'd like to see him be the teams' nukmber 1 and get most of the starts.

 

[sean3250]

I honestly don't think anyone should be complaining about goaltending right now. Howard has been just fine this year. One or two really bad games (SJ & NJ) have killed his numbers, but in a rotational role he's been good enough.

Mrazek is only 23. Most goalies at this age are not playing in the NHL and putting up the numbers he is. He's at .925 this year which is good for 8th in the league. That's pretty damn great. And let's not forget his very good series against Tampa. He's still inconsistent and has things he needs to work on. I do believe he's taken positive steps in his game since last year. There's been a noticeable difference in his rebound control, for example. He plays the puck very well for a 23 year old goalie. He usually comes up with the big save too. Give him two or 3 years and he should be a very good NHL goalie.

 

[RedWingsfan55]

Our goaltending is great and both are having,success AND SOMEONE IS COMPLAINING?!?!?!? Enjoy the fact we have 2 great goalies,



***** about the real,problems....defense, scoring, lack,of size.

 

[SoupNazi]

Our goaltending is great and both are having,success AND SOMEONE IS COMPLAINING?!?!?!? Enjoy the fact we have 2 great goalies,



***** about the real,problems....defense, scoring, lack,of size.

Both goalies have been inconsistent this year.

That's a real problem.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Howard had his worst game of the season, no surprise that threads like these show up with people acting like he's been bad all year. Fact is he's been almost as good as Mrazek. Their stats are not wildly different, it has the look of a 1A/1B situation which the starts indicate. Mrazek has a small edge. He just needs to find his consistency, until then there's no reason we shouldn't give Howard 35-40 starts.

It's a crime that Mrazek gets the L tonight. This stat is so incredibly flawed in the NHL, and needs to be changed. Howard lays an egg, completely responsible for the loss, yet Mrazek gets the L in his stats. That's unfair.

Who cares. It's just a number on a paper.