What do ur leafs look like next year , if u were Lou

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  1. Menzinger

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    7 million for Nylander/Marner is a possibility considering 1) cap is rising and as a result so will contracts 2) if the Leafs want to eat up any of their UFA years with the deal.
     
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    Pretty much status quo.

    Let the older UFAs walk (Bozak, Komarov, Polak) and attempt to re-sign JVR on a bargain. If he prices himself out, let him walk too and address that loss internally (Johnsson, Grundstrom, Korshkov, etc.). Attempt to dump contracts like Martin to a younger team trying to get to the cap floor, such as Arizona.

    The Tavares idea is a pipe dream and so is Carlson, to a lesser extent. I would still take a hard run at Carlson, and if that is successful, I would shop Gardiner post-free agency for a centre before he becomes a UFA later that year. Alleviates the left side and allows Dermott/Borgman to see regular minutes, which they are now ready for.

    Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
    JVR* - _______ - Marner
    Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
    Johnsson - Gauthier - Brown
    (Ex. Aaltonen, Leivo)

    Rielly - Carlson
    Dermott - Zaitsev
    Borgman - Hainsey
    (Carrick, Holl)

    Andersen
    Pickard

    This way Johnsson can be eased in to the NHL, and after Marleau receives his bonus at the end of the season, he can either be shopped or swapped with AJ the following year. Some potentials for Gardiner's 2C return could be Domi, Stepan, Coyle, etc.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the league is well aware that JVR just might be one of the worst defensive player in the NHL. As a low-life team that needs to put on a show, I'd sign him to delude fans into thinking we were doing something so they would buy season tickets. But if I truly wanted to win the Cup, I'd steer clear of him completely. You don't win scoring goals, you win by scoring more goals the then opposition, something JVR will do miserably. JVR's limited no-trade clause would of had him nix probably all the low-life teams out of the mix. JVR wasn't traded because there wasn't a market for him. You can't compare him to Rick Nash, who almost has the same amount of takeways this season as JVR has in the last two seasons combined. I wouldn't hesitate to sit him out a few games to see if young inexperienced Marlies couldn't do a better job. As for next season, if the Leafs re-sign JVR, it will be a massive disappointment for a club that's #1 priority should be improving their defensive play.
     
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    Or a good team uses his goal scoring and firmly attaches a great 2-way C with him.
     
  5. I am Canadian

    I am Canadian Foreverly Hopeful

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    Hyman - Matthews - Kapanen
    Marleau - Kadri - Marner
    Kovalchuck - Nylander - Brown
    Johnsson - Altonen - Grundstrom
    Martin/Leivo

    Rielly - Hainsey
    Gardiner - Colin Miller
    Dermott - Zaitsev

    Andersen
    McBackup

    Sign Kovalchuck to a 1 year 8M deal and really go for it. Maybe a 4th line C if Babs wants it. Trade Timashov, Bracco and a 1st for Colin Miller from Vegas
     
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    18/19 off-season

    To CHI - Gardiner
    To TOR - Seabrook & unconditional 1st in 18 (top 10 most likely)

    To VGS - Seabrook & TOR 1st in 18 (aprox 17th-26th)
    To TOR - Clarkson (LTIR) & 3rd in 20 (one of NSH, WPG & VGS)

    draft one of Boqvist [RD] , Bouchard [RD], Hughes [LD] or Merkley [RD]

    offer NYI 1st in 19 & B prospect for an extended Tavares...if not a fair offer, wait til he hits UFA...

    if Tavares is willing or chooses to sign here...

    Trade Kadri for young 3rd line Centre with 2nd line upside + A level prospect or young 3rd pairing LHD with top 4 upside if Tavares comes to T.O

    Extended or Sign Tavares - 8 Years @ $10,000,000 / season or 7 Years @ $10,000,000 / season

    Resign - JVR 6 Years x $6,000,000 / Season

    Resign - Nylander 3 Years x $5,000,000 / season - comparable bridge deal that Kucherov received (a little higher than Kucherov's bridge deal)

    Sign - Jay Beagle 1 Year x $2,000,000

    Hyman [2.25] / Matthews [3.775] / Nylander [5.00]
    JVR [6.00] / Tavares [10] / Marner [1.775]
    Marleau [6.25] / player acquired via Kadri / Kapanen [0.925]
    Johnsson [0.925] / Beagle [2] / Brown [2.1]
    Martin [2.5] / Leivo [0.925]

    Rielly [5] / Hainsey [3]
    Dermott [0.894] / Zaitsev [4.5]
    UFA / Carrick [RFA]
    UFA

    Andersen [5] / McElhinney [0.85]

    Kessel Retention [1.2]

    * assuming what the insiders believe will be an 80 million cap in 18-19 season, that gives TOR +15 million for acquired 3rd line centre via Kadri Trade & the two UFA Defense signings & Carrick's new contract.

    Following year Hainsey [3], Beagle [2], McElhinney [0.85] expire; Matthews [3.775] & Marner's [1.775] are up for extensions...Roughly 11.4 million + whatever increases in Cap Space...if more space is needed Zaitsev & Martin will need to be moved, bought out or traded for cap space
     
  7. Pookie

    Pookie It was a pleasure doing business with you

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    I would like to see a good old fashion hockey trade for top blue line help.

    Probably would take a player of Kadri talent + prospect to land.

    But sure would beat signing 35+ year olds and expecting prospects to be as good as the rookie class of 16-17.
     
  8. therealkoho

    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    serious Q

    Matthews, Marner, Nylander
    or
    Matthews, Marner, Tavares
     
  9. therealkoho

    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    lot of work, but i really do not see any way that the Leafs re-sign JvR, one dimensional wingers with average wheels are going the way of the dinosaur, Kadri would not need to be traded and in fact I don't see the Leafs moving him even if they could sign Tavares, having Matty, JT and Naz down the middle would give them the advantage over most of the NHL.

    Gardiner does need to go, the moments of brilliance can't overide the indentical boneheaded mistakes he makes over and over, personally I'd call the 'Yotes and see if they'd be interested in a package of Gardiner/Nylander and a 1st 2020 for OEL, Domi and their 1st 2020

    Hyman - Matthews - Brown
    Marleau - Tavares - Marner
    Kapanen - Kadri - Domi
    Martin/Johnsson - Aaltonen - Leivo/Grundstrom

    OEL - Rielly
    Dermott - Zaitsev
    Borgman - Hainsey
     
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    I get it but I'd want them to find another way to make it work.
    Like for starters, don't bring back any of the UFAs
     
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    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    agreed...with the exception of possibly Leo but only if he takes a 2 year deal at 2m
     
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    Less than $60m cap hit :laugh:
     
  14. therealkoho

    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    Nylander in the 1 slot:eek::laugh:
     
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    I love it when people disagree with something and take it to the main boards, to try and make Leafs fans look bad.

     
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    Especially when any Leafs fan knows that when we're making line combos lines 1-3 are interchangeable
    Yeah, seeing as our kids will need huge contracts soon.
    Clearly not a leafs fan
     
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    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Stastny in...

    Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    Kapanen- Stastny - Brown
    Leivo - Gauthier/Aaltonen - Johnsson


    Don’t think we’re getting much D help, but could see a guy like Cole, and maybe a bargain bin signing like Sproul.

    Strength is going to be on the forward group, and Stastny really hasn’t slowed down the last few years.
     
  18. therealkoho

    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    stop following me around dude it's creepy af
     
  19. therealkoho

    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    lines 1-3 are hardly interchangeable, moving pieces yes but not interchangeable
    and clearly you don't know me
     
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    Pretty much this. Let Hainsey and Dermott platoon the bottom two LHD with Zaitsev, and the newly acquired RHD can be Rielly's partner.
     
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    Yes, that’s what it is. It’s not that your one of like half a dozen faux Leafs fans who scurry off like rodents to trash the team and or posters when someone disagrees with you, and then got called out on it. Nope, it’s that i’m stalking you, even though this is the 3rd post exchange we’ve had.:thumbu:
     
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    Hyman - Matthews - Kapanen
    Marleau - Kadri - Marner
    Johnsson - Nylander - Grundstrom
    Leivo - UFA/Aaltonen - UFA

    Rielly - trade acquisition(1st round pick + Connor Brown)
    Gardiner - Hainsey
    Dermott - Zaitsev

    Looking through capfriendly at UFAs for the 4th line - Letestu, Hansen
    Buy low RFAs - Slepyshev, Vesey
     
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    therealkoho Gary says it's A-OK

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    you my boy need help
     
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    Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
    Marleau - Kadri - Marner
    Johnsson - Thornton - Kapanen
    Komarov - Beagle/Ryan/Aaltonen - Leivo/Korshkov/Grundstrom

    Rielly - Pysyk
    Gardiner - Hainsey
    Dermott - Zaitsev

    Andersen
    McBackup/Pickard

    Connor Brown + for Pysyk, overpay Jumbo Joe for a year, sign Beagle or Ryan to center the fourth line if management isn't comfortable with Aaltonen.

    Leaves us with lots of cap space to make further moves both in 2019-20 and 2020-21. The main concern for me would be at LW depending on regression of Marleau and progression of Johnsson.
     
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    Hyman Matthews Nylander
    Kappy Tavares Marner
    Marleau Kadri Brown
    Johnsson Goat/Alto/UFA/trade Leivo

    Rielly Hainsey
    Gardner Zaitsev
    Dermott Oziganov(spelling?)/UFA/Carrick/Trade

    Andersen
    Picard/Mcbackup
     

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