Whenever you win the bidding for a player you reduce his trade value to 0 for at least the next 2 seasons. For the reason that if any team thought he was worth more they would have offered more. So a year or two down the road how would you expect another team to. Not only agree with your contract but to offer you good assets on top of it.
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But doesn't that still require the expansion team to actually pick him to get him off of our roster? The only way I see that happening is if Old man Fletcher or JFJ are GM of said expansion franchise
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But doesn't that still require the expansion team to actually pick him to get him off of our roster? The only way I see that happening is if Old man Fletcher or JFJ are GM of said expansion franchise
The same expansion team that needs to hit the league mandated salary cap floor. By that time he may only have a year or two left anyways.
After we move other bodies he can stay and help us tank for a few yrs
no need for a buyout tiol 4 yrs
no need for a buyout tiol 4 yrs
mouser
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They're signing bonuses, Clarkson "earned" them on July 5th 2013 when he signed the contract.
This.
This is one of, if not the most, Pejorative Slured ideas I`ve seen in recent years. Our team is garbage. We are not winning anything in the next few years. There is no reason to buyout Clarkson. If, in 3 or 4 years, we start winning and need cap space, then you do it. Then you`re only on the hook for a couple years -- not 10.
GoodNewfieBoy
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-youth-movement-for-2016-world-cup/
Read Point 9. This thread is misleading and the title should be changed, or it should be closed IMO.
Read Point 9. This thread is misleading and the title should be changed, or it should be closed IMO.
projexns
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The post of mine cited in the OP is linked to an article dated Dec 2013 with the cap-hit of a Clarkson buy-out from Capgeek.
Post # 35 has a link from an article dated Nov 2014 citing Capgeek with different numbers.
Friedman's recent article suggests the same as the 2014 article. It looks like Capgeek updated their numbers when more information about the structure of Clarkson's contract became known.
Apologies for the confusion.
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I think the longer our team sucks the longer we can wait to buy Clarkson out. Every year with him is 2 years less we have to have him on the books via a buy out. If we manage to not buy him out or have him assassinated in the next 3 years who knows maybe we could even trade him to a team trying to get to the cap floor....
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i should do this for my next job.
ask that i get extra money every year and then do nothing.
thanks by the way.
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This just in.....Leafs past buy outs of 14 players cost 56,000,000 which means the Leafs have to sign 23 guys with 19,000,000
This just in.....Leafs past buy outs of 14 players cost 56,000,000 which means the Leafs have to sign 23 guys with 19,000,000
Nasty Nazem
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At this point it is not necessary to buy him out. Leafs are not contending and should be able to clear enough capspace to keep their young players and don't really need the little cap relief Clarkson might provide with a buyout (the fact buyout would be so long and at a sizeable cap hit number, it makes zero sense to buy him out at this point). Use the buyout on Clarkson when Leafs actually need the cap space in 3 years or so when they are hopefully in a position to contend.
Leafidelity
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The best we can hope for is him playing 4th line minutes. And other than the inexplicable PP time, he's getting closer to that.
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You know that this hypothetical expansion team will have access to free agency as well, right? Meaning they will be able to sign guys for money that represent better dollars spent than on Clarkson, on players who offer more than Clarkson does on the ice?
There are ways expansion teams can get to the cap floor without taking on junk contracts
now that hes playing better a trade could be our best bet. Eat 1.5 million and package him with a 3rd round pick.
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If we are rebuilding you you just stick him on the 3rd/4th line. He deserves the 4th but whatever.
If we are trying to get better immediately, you buy him out because he is sucks and just about any player in the organization would be an upgrade at a fraction of the cost.
If we are trying to get better immediately, you buy him out because he is sucks and just about any player in the organization would be an upgrade at a fraction of the cost.
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Interestingly, I still get asking about Toronto Maple Leafs winger David Clarkson, especially whenever I or someone else mentions his “buyout-proof contract.†Here’s why it’s considered that way:
2015-16: $4,716,667
2016-17: $3,716,667
2017-18: $3,716,667
2018-19: $4,716,667
2019-20: $4,716,667
2020-21: $466,667
2021-22: $466,667
2022-23: $466,667
2023-24: $466,667
2024-25: $466,667
via the quoted link
Looks like they thought he would be useful till 2020 in their estimation ("we are not worried about year six and seven right now we are worried about year one and two"), then the buyout is a natural at a half mil going forward. If the contract contributes to a cup it is well worth it...this will not happen. To me its less about a failure of Clarkson being worth it than it is of Leaf [mis]management thinking we had a group that just need an experienced grinder to put us over the top. Nonis fail.
I've felt as though the team should be blown up while keeping ****** contracts like clarksons to reach the floor. Ala Buffalo Sabres.
The real problem is obvious.... it's management.
If you include this Clarkson idea as well as the compliance buyouts, that is 5 contract buy-outs in roughly 7-8 years.
No other teams have more than two (and most of those were the compliance buy-outs).
Clearly management, whether it be JFJ, Brian Burke, or Dave Nonis. All 3 have crippled the Leafs due to offering "market value" for players that end up not being worth it.
Paying somebody too much is one thing. Giving them a super long term is another, and adding in NTC's/NMC's is an entirely different and idiotic thing.
Most teams use those 3 items to help lessen others. An older player may be offered more money in hopes they are willing to accept shorter term. A player would be given a NTC/NMC in order to lower the salary demands. However, the Maple Leafs offered a 30 yr old physical player a 7-year deal, worth $5.25m per yr, with aNMC and somehow not a single person on staff seemed to stand up and ask if that was a good idea....
Management clearly cannot identify a players value properly. Considering this has happened with 3 different GM's it might be time ti revamp the ENTIRE Pro Scouting/Player Acquisition personnel.
If you include this Clarkson idea as well as the compliance buyouts, that is 5 contract buy-outs in roughly 7-8 years.
No other teams have more than two (and most of those were the compliance buy-outs).
Clearly management, whether it be JFJ, Brian Burke, or Dave Nonis. All 3 have crippled the Leafs due to offering "market value" for players that end up not being worth it.
Paying somebody too much is one thing. Giving them a super long term is another, and adding in NTC's/NMC's is an entirely different and idiotic thing.
Most teams use those 3 items to help lessen others. An older player may be offered more money in hopes they are willing to accept shorter term. A player would be given a NTC/NMC in order to lower the salary demands. However, the Maple Leafs offered a 30 yr old physical player a 7-year deal, worth $5.25m per yr, with aNMC and somehow not a single person on staff seemed to stand up and ask if that was a good idea....
Management clearly cannot identify a players value properly. Considering this has happened with 3 different GM's it might be time ti revamp the ENTIRE Pro Scouting/Player Acquisition personnel.
