What a DAVID CLARKSON BUYOUT would actually look like (it's good news for Clarkson)

[bobber]

Clarkson won the lottery in Toronto. He can't lose no matter the outcome. He will be a very rich man thanks to Leafs management. Due diligence. None found here. Shanny will sort it out.

 

[Guy Boucher]

Depends what you consider very little cap penalty.

Leafs would be taking a $28.8 mil cap hit over the next 12 years with the average annual hit of $2.4 mil per. (It actually fluctuates due to its structure) but one or another that is the cap hit.

Here is a good article that breaks it down. http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...ksons-contract-is-maybe-probably-buyout-proof

The numbers in that article are incorrect. I don't know why you keep citing it. The author himself states that he is guessing.

This is what his buyout would actually look like:

Very small cap relief for the first 5 years (roughly 500K)
Very small cap penalty for the next 5 years (roughly 500K)

 

[Hugh Mongusbig]

Clarkson's agent knew what he was doing when he structured this contract which is essentially buyout proof.

 

[Mess]

The numbers in that article are incorrect. I don't know why you keep citing it. The author himself states that he is guessing.

This is what his buyout would actually look like:

Very small cap relief for the first 5 years (roughly 500K)
Very small cap penalty for the next 5 years (roughly 500K)

Okay for fun lets use your figures.

Clarkson has an actual cap hit of $5.25 mil and in 4 of those first 6 years after buyout the cap hit is $4.694 mil = free cap space of $556k.

If you buyout Clarkson the best you can do is play a Marlie making league minimum $550k (ie Trevor Smith) for the combined buyout advantage.

What value are you seeing with a buyout?.

 

[Guy Boucher]

Okay for fun lets use your figures.

Clarkson has an actual cap hit of $5.25 mil and in 4 of those first 6 years after buyout the cap hit is $4.694 mil = free cap space of $556k.

If you buyout Clarkson the best you can do is play a Marlie making league minimum $550k (ie Trevor Smith) for the combined buyout advantage.

What value are you seeing with a buyout?.

There's absolutely no financial advantage towards buying him out (hence, "buy-out proof").

But he's a sunk cost. He's already being outplayed by Marlies, and the coaches are hurting the team by giving him minutes that he frankly does not deserve due to his contract.

They screwed up with Clarkson. Now get him off the team and move forward with players that may be capable of contributing in the future.

 

[Mess]

There's absolutely no financial advantage towards buying him out (hence, "buy-out proof").

But he's a sunk cost. He's already being outplayed by Marlies, and the coaches are hurting the team by giving him minutes that he frankly does not deserve due to his contract.

They screwed up with Clarkson. Now get him off the team and move forward with players that may be capable of contributing in the future.

If there is no real cap savings and 95% of this cap still counts even in a buyout (ie buyout proof) then why buy him out?

The only real option is put him in the pressbox and play someone else.

However Horachek gave him the "A" in Phaneuf absence and even playing him on 2nd PP unit, so the coach doesn't seem to agree with you.

 

[Erndog]

While Clarkson's contract is not great, he is still producing. He was never going to be a 35 goal scorer. He was supposed to be a 20-25 goal scorer, a character guy, a guy with grit and someone that wanted to be a Leaf. He still is all those things. I would hazard to guess, if he stays healthy that his contract will be the last thing on fans minds 3 years down the road.

Just...... wow.

This amazes me.

Seriously, I am bewildered. Baffled. Awe struck at this.

 

[Tnouc Alucard]

Clarkson will be bought out! There is no question about it. Once Nonis is fired, Phaneuf will be gone to.

David Clarkson and his buyout-proof contract



http://http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-david-clarkson-and-his-buyout-proof-contract/article17783243/

 

[hockeyfanz*]

Just...... wow.

This amazes me.

Seriously, I am bewildered. Baffled. Awe struck at this.

NOTHING amazes me around here...Really. NOTHING.

 

[Super Mega]

He isnt even physical or gritty. He is a good net presence though, he works hard to get goals but that's it.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Leafs need to just ride out some more time on the Clarkson contract.

His contract is awful but we shouldn't be buying him out just to commit another error with that money.

If the Leafs are truly going to rebuild we will be shedding some big contract such as Bozak, Phaneuf, Lupul, etc. so we'll have cap room but nowhere to spend it wisely especially considering this UFA group is very weak.

What most likely happens is we are just stuck with Clarkson for another few years then we either buy him out or deal him out with cap retained + an asset.

 

[ryno23]

Ok so they made a huge mistake with Clarkson but the problem now is they are force feeding him PP time and top 6 or 9 time to justify the contract.

What a good organization does is understand the mistake and don't make it worse by trying to play the guy more than he deserves.

Play him 4th line minutes and see if he can do PK and that is it.

 

[Hugh Mongusbig]

He isnt even physical or gritty. He is a good net presence though, he works hard to get goals but that's it.

Well then he's doing better than 80% of the rest of the roster then.

Leafs are married to this guy, for better or for worse, so get used to it.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Jonas Siegel reports that the Leafs are painfully limited in their options with the David Clarkson contract, which has five years still remaining.

http://www.tsn.ca/no-easy-exit-for-leafs-from-clarkson-contract-1.194471

NEWARK – "I'm not worried about [years] six and seven right now. I'm worried about [year] one and year one I know we're going to have a very good player ... If David Clarkson doesn't score 30 goals in a Leaf uniform, but provides all the other things that we know he's going to provide we're pretty comfortable we're a better team."

The words promised to haunt the Maple Leafs general manager one day, just not this quickly.

On the fifth day of July in the summer of 2013 Dave Nonis and members of Toronto's since-dismantled management group emerged from the team's offices at the Air Canada Centre to proudly announce their newest addition. It took seven years and more than $36 million to reel in David Clarkson on the free agent market.

Year one was bad, a self-described disaster, and year two really hasn't been much better.

The details are unflattering:

• Clarkson is on pace to amass just 25 points.

• Four hundred and twenty-three players have accumulated more than his five assists so far this season.

• Not one of those five assists was a pass directly resulting in a goal.

• Clarkson holds just a single point in nearly 100 minutes on the power-play, that lone point (a goal) coming on the final day of October.

• Clarkson has gone 39 consecutive games without a power-play point.

• His 22 minor penalties are the sixth-most of any forward in the league.

• He has just two goals in the past 23 games.

All in all, the Leafs just aren't getting value (or anything close to it) from the onerous contract they extended Clarkson and that matters greatly (and painfully) in a cap world. There's just no let-up from contracts of this kind. They squeeze teams in an era of precision and that's precisely what the Clarkson contract has done and will continue to do to the Leafs barring some unlikely escape.

Toronto projects to be tight against the cap again next year as the roster currently stands and that's due in no small part to the $5.25 million annual cap hit of the 29-year-old winger. It's also why they may have to part with assets of value in the summer to clear space.

The Leafs are painfully limited in their options with the Clarkson contract, which has five years still remaining.

They could attempt to trade him, but such a possibility seems unlikely given the size of the contract and limitations of the player (not to mention Clarkson's limited no-trade clause). Bad contracts have been moved before though and perhaps the Leafs can swallow up half of the contract in exchange for another of the calamitous variety.

 

[AINEC*]

Yeah let's pay this ****lord until 2025. No thanks. Just deal with his garbage contract and go full rebuild. It isn't going to matter as much on a team not trying to make the playoffs.

 

[Apollo Leaf]

The best thing to do is ride out the remaining 5 years of his contract, cause there's nothing else we can do.

We made an awful mistake of buying out Tucker and Gleason, buying out Clarkson would be a bigger mistake.

 

[Havoq]

Just...... wow.

This amazes me.

Seriously, I am bewildered. Baffled. Awe struck at this.

 

[Suntouchable13]

He has one PP point all season long? Is that right?

 

[Purity*]

Ok so they made a huge mistake with Clarkson but the problem now is they are force feeding him PP time and top 6 or 9 time to justify the contract.

What a good organization does is understand the mistake and don't make it worse by trying to play the guy more than he deserves.

Play him 4th line minutes and see if he can do PK and that is it.

It's ******** like this that separates a locker room. How do the other guys feel when they see Clarkson, who they have out-performed during the season, get quality offensive-minutes over them? They'll never say anything like this out-loud obviously but they know full-well what's going on.

• Clarkson holds just a single point in nearly 100 minutes on the power-play, that lone point (a goal) coming on the final day of October.

The players who are competing for his spot on the PP are fully aware of this. Like I said, these kinds of things are breeding grounds for an unhealthy locker room.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Ok so they made a huge mistake with Clarkson but the problem now is they are force feeding him PP time and top 6 or 9 time to justify the contract.

What a good organization does is understand the mistake and don't make it worse by trying to play the guy more than he deserves.

Play him 4th line minutes and see if he can do PK and that is it.

He's tied for 9th overall in TOI per game with Holland playing under 15 minutes a game and none of the group below them in Smith, Booth, Panik have done anything special.

He's already getting borderline 4th line minutes.

Guys like Winnik, Santo are getting more minutes then Clarkson because they deserve it.

 

[TOGuy14]

It still makes me sad that we used a CBO on a useful player (Grabovski) just so we could sign Clarkson to an albatross of a deal that will hamper this franchise for the next half decade.

 

[Al14]

I think we need to stop complaining about Clarkson! We are stuck with him!

He is buyout proof, waiver proof, and, trade proof! Unless, another team steps up, and wants him in exchange for their own salary dump, we are screwed!

He needs to be given 4th line minutes. He needs to encouraged to play a rough and tough style, or, he gets to view the games from the press box!

After a couple of years, we might just be able to convince him to retire, or, allow management to send him down to the Marlies, by sitting him in the press box permanently!

 

[ryno23]

He's tied for 9th overall in TOI per game with Holland playing under 15 minutes a game and none of the group below them in Smith, Booth, Panik have done anything special.

He's already getting borderline 4th line minutes.

Guys like Winnik, Santo are getting more minutes then Clarkson because they deserve it.

There lies the issue. We don't have any kids in the minors who can be challenged for top 9 minutes and can produce yet. Lupul back should force him further down the lineup. Here is what they should role top 9. Well some form of it. You can swap Santa and Komo around but basically that top 9. NO need for Clarkson in the top 9 and to see any PP time.

JVR Kadri Kessel
Komorov Bozak Lupul
Santa Holland Winnik
Panik/Booth Smith Clarkson

 

[Suntouchable13]

Ok so they made a huge mistake with Clarkson but the problem now is they are force feeding him PP time and top 6 or 9 time to justify the contract.

What a good organization does is understand the mistake and don't make it worse by trying to play the guy more than he deserves.

Play him 4th line minutes and see if he can do PK and that is it.

I never liked Burke but at least he could admit he made a mistake. He disposed of mistakes quickly. Nonis should learn from his friend.

 

[Jerkini]

A number of us saw the writing on the wall before it even happened. This post in early 2013:

With the year David Clarkson is having, i'd want nothing to do with the contract that guy is going to get.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=59471167&postcount=655