Westhead: Coyotes' survival hinges on arena deal battle

[MNNumbers]

There's very little case law because the statute language is clear. And when the language is clear, the court need not look further.

Any chance the team could get a TRO?

 

[Killion]

The Manitoba Moose effectively became the Winnipeg Jets. They had infrastructure. The arena was done. The Jets already had a deal worked out for the Coyotes. So that was basically in place.

When the Coyotes relocate, I hope it's to QC. It just seems like a tough timeline right now. It's June. I'm not crazy.

It is a tight timeline but it could be done. Quebec for sure, Portland possibly but some logistical problems with competing building dates etc. We just dont know what the heck happens come Thursday morning when this thing passes & they void the agreement. I just dont know what comes next. How the COG, IA, the NHL react.

 

[LadyStanley]

It is a tight timeline but it could be done. Quebec for sure, Portland possibly but some logistical problems with competing building dates etc. We just dont know what the heck happens come Thursday morning when this thing passes & they void the agreement. I just dont know what comes next. How the COG, IA, the NHL react.

Killi - you know this is litigious U. S. of A.

A lawsuit comes next.

 

[wildcat48]

It certainly sounds like Morgan believes Glendale doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[MarkhamNHL]

Killi - you know this is litigious U. S. of A.

A lawsuit comes next.

Enter Redfield T. Baum?

He warned this is where it would end up

This really should be a TV series

 

[LadyStanley]

Enter Redfield T. Baum?

He warned this is where it would end up

This really should be a TV series

Only if we end up in bankruptcy court.

 

[TheLegend]

thanks for digging this up.

Perhaps Craig Morgan should take a peek.

When Craig Morgan returns from vacation he might.

 

[Killion]

Killi - you know this is litigious U. S. of A.

A lawsuit comes next.

.... yep. but the language in that statute, pretty clear & crystal clear breach appears to me. I dont see how a Judge would have any patience for an appeal by IA/NHL so then what?... I just dont know LS. But clearly, were about to find out.

 

[madhi19]

Having Quebec play in the pacific division is not viable.

And that probably not as big a worry as people might think. You make due with what you got, not what you wish you got. I could see the NHL shifting them to the central.

 

[MarkhamNHL]

And that probably not as big a worry as people might think. You make due with what you got, not what you wish you got. I could see the NHL shifting them to the central.

Extra Quebec Colorado games to boot

 

[Killion]

Notice:

Kindly stay on topic, Glendale, Lease Void etc... This is NOT a thread to discuss the viability of Portland, Seattle or Quebec AT LENGTH... Keep it confined to the immediate matter at hand. The lead-up to tomorrow nights vote, the results & fall-out Thursday etc. We know what the potential landing spots are. OFF TOPIC to expound upon them on this thread.

 

[CasualFan]

Any chance the team could get a TRO?

Of course. Assuming the city votes to terminate, the recourse would almost certainly be injunction relief.

Tindall Severance https://www.glendaleaz.com/clerk/Contracts/8419.pdf
He resigned in April but was providing services for six additional months. It will take a finding of fact to determine what, if any, of those services may be applicable to the 38-511 claim (beyond the appearance that he was involved in drafting large portions of the agreement that were carried forward from JIG)

 

[MarkhamNHL]

Will the vote be streamed?

 

[kdb209]

MLB and the nfl do not use east west

The NFL & MLB have separate conferences/leagues purely for historical reasons.

 

[Random Forest]

And that probably not as big a worry as people might think. You make due with what you got, not what you wish you got. I could see the NHL shifting them to the central.

Agreed. The divisional alignment is going to be a secondary concern for the league. If QC is the most viable option, they will make due with less-than-ideal scheduling rather than try to rush into Portland.

This is obviously an extraordinary circumstance, and I'm sure a temporary realignment could be implemented as the expansion process works itself out.

 

[gstommylee]

If this does go to court how long when we'll see a resolution? A few months next year?

 

[madhi19]

Will the vote be streamed?

Now that a question that need answering.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Only if we end up in bankruptcy court.

He's retired:
http://ballotpedia.org/Redfield_T._Baum

He was appointed to the bench in 1990, and retired on February 13, 2013, succeeded on the court by Eddward Ballinger, Jr.

 

[TheLegend]

Will the vote be streamed?

Now that a question that need answering.

I would presume yes, since it has to come in an open council session.

But expect it to be a long session.

 

[TheLegend]

Of course. Assuming the city votes to terminate, the recourse would almost certainly be injunction relief.

Tindall Severance https://www.glendaleaz.com/clerk/Contracts/8419.pdf
He resigned in April but was providing services for six additional months. It will take a finding of fact to determine what, if any, of those services may be applicable to the 38-511 claim (beyond the appearance that he was involved in drafting large portions of the agreement that were carried forward from JIG)

Craig Morgan was citing two sources saying Tindall was not involved with any lease discussion while he was serving as consultant to CoG following his resignation.

But I think you're right on track with the idea that the JIG lease was Tindall's work, and that because the RSE/IA lease agreement contains language from the JIG agreement, Glendale will try to show Tindall was connected to the IA lease agreement.

 

[Nordskull]

Gee am I late on the news.

Oh and of course, distracting everybody from the fine stanley cup finals we got. The commish sure is glad... That franchise venture is really the nail in the foot.

But still, I think COG doing this to negotiate modifications in the lease, very simple. No, I don't believe they're gone.

I miss those COG sessions. I recall 2 years ago, when that lady was mayor, it was so fun to watch, members looked like people with nothing in common.

What was the old man name again? Was it Zimmerman?

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Honestly thought my team would be the domino to fall, but oddly I don't feel any relief, just awful for Arizona fans.


Could we possibly see a dead in the water season ala '04 Expos? I doubt there's time this off season, it's already mid June.A one year lease, NHL foots the bill, just so they aren't left scrambling?

Coyotes fans deserve closure.

 

[TheLegend]

Gee am I late on the news.

Oh and of course, distracting everybody from the fine stanley cup finals we got. The commish sure is glad... That franchise venture is really the nail in the foot.

But still, I think COG doing this to negotiate modifications in the lease, very simple. No, I don't believe they're gone.

I miss those COG sessions. I recall 2 years ago, when that lady was mayor, it was so fun to watch, members looked like people with nothing in common.

What was the old man name again? Was it Zimmerman?

I think you're referring to Phil Lieberman. And the previous mayor was Elaine Scruggs.

If the CoG is indeed taking this route to force a renegotiation of the lease. They're playing a serious game of chicken that's not going to come out well for them no matter the result.

 

[danishh]

I think you're referring to Phil Lieberman. And the previous mayor was Elaine Scruggs.

If the CoG is indeed taking this route to force a renegotiation of the lease. They're playing a serious game of chicken that's not going to come out well for them no matter the result.

If the council sees what many others do... that IA is simply sucking them dry before an inevitable move, then literally anything is better than the status quo. Team leaves now? Save money. Team renegotiates? Save money. Team folds? Save money. Team sues them and stays under a temporary lease for one season? Still save money!.

 

[Acesolid]

Weeeeeeee're back!

Damn it! Everytime I think I'm free from Coyotes Megathreads, they pull me back in!

So, for the NHL to relocate the Yotes, we're a few days away from it being too late to do it.

So, the NHL finds itself facing a choice (if the vote passes tomorrow);

A: Stay and fight in Glendale, but thus do exactly what Glendale wants. And play the coming season on Glendale's terms at a cataclysmic loss (and in a PR disaster, and possibly ratings and attendance so low they set new records for this once again "lame-duck" team).

B: Run away! Run away! Run away! Fight in the courts for lost revenue, but relocate the team ASAP, before it's too late.