Werenski vs Provorov

Discussion in 'Polls - (hockey-related only)' started by 1865, Feb 26, 2018.

?

Who do you take going forward?

  1. Ivan Provorov

    73.9%
  2. Zach Werenski

    26.1%
View Users: View Users
  1. Sweetbutt

    Sweetbutt Registered User

    Joined:
    May 1, 2017
    Messages:
    1,192
    Likes Received:
    603
    Trophy Points:
    94
    both of these guys are so good.
     
  2. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    26,560
    Likes Received:
    16,080
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Werenski here. He's better
     
  3. VoraceksWristShot

    VoraceksWristShot Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2011
    Messages:
    1,308
    Likes Received:
    623
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Occupation:
    FireHakstokFreeSanheim
    Location:
    FireHakstokFreeSanheim
    Based on what?
     
  4. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    26,560
    Likes Received:
    16,080
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Better production, cf%, gf%, and xgf%. Maybe it'll change going forward but I'd have to take werenski
     
  5. VoraceksWristShot

    VoraceksWristShot Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2011
    Messages:
    1,308
    Likes Received:
    623
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Occupation:
    FireHakstokFreeSanheim
    Location:
    FireHakstokFreeSanheim
    Wait so you’ll use QoC for Reilly but not for Provorov? And you’re gonna not take in to account his partner is a top 10 Dman? Lol
     
    99664987 and wintersej like this.
  6. HavocWreaker

    HavocWreaker Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2015
    Messages:
    5,763
    Likes Received:
    512
    Trophy Points:
    94
    yeah but id wager werenski has more support on the backend.
    at draft i said werenski would be the best of hanafin, provorov and weresnksi im not so sure anymore..
     
    VoraceksWristShot likes this.
  7. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    26,560
    Likes Received:
    16,080
    Trophy Points:
    141
    their QoC is extremely similar, but you're right. Provorov does have tougher matchups and a worse partner. it's a tough call but I'd still give Werenski the edge here
     
    VoraceksWristShot likes this.
  8. AnishLoomba

    AnishLoomba Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Messages:
    17,988
    Likes Received:
    4,635
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Who ever is better defensively
     
  9. Tripod

    Tripod Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    44,332
    Likes Received:
    17,673
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Location:
    Nova Scotia
    These guys will each have years where they are the better player IMO. Both are good/great.

    The only "wrong" people are the AINEC guys.
     
  10. bambamcam4ever

    bambamcam4ever 107 and counting

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2012
    Messages:
    8,573
    Likes Received:
    1,026
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Jones isn't a top 10 Dman though. His numbers weren't anything special before playing with Werenski.
     
  11. VoraceksWristShot

    VoraceksWristShot Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2011
    Messages:
    1,308
    Likes Received:
    623
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Occupation:
    FireHakstokFreeSanheim
    Location:
    FireHakstokFreeSanheim
    Are you actually insinuating that Werenski is carrying Jones? lolol
     
  12. Semyon Says

    Semyon Says grocery stick

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Messages:
    10,889
    Likes Received:
    1,636
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    downtown poundtown
    i take zach out of loyalty thought he would be the best dman of the draft class, not changing my mind yet
     
  13. Halla

    Halla Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    10,481
    Likes Received:
    1,502
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Quite clearly the better season?

    Provorov: 12g,20a,32pts in 70 games
    Werenski: 14g,18a,32pts in 66 games

    Last year it was werenski AINEC. now its Werenski but much closer
     
  14. Halla

    Halla Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    10,481
    Likes Received:
    1,502
    Trophy Points:
    124
    minus when werenski had 47pts to his 30 last year and was a +24 better right?

    SMH!
     
  15. dim jim

    dim jim Passing the Torch

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    53,436
    Likes Received:
    3,564
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    Vancouver
    I had Provorov rated 3rd in his draft year, and I’ve always slightly preferred him to Werenski.

    If you’re looking at U-23 defenders to build your team around your top 5 has to be Dahlin, Jones, Provorov, Werenski and McAvoy though.
     
    Juicy Pop and WubbaLubbaDubDub like this.
  16. HyPnOtiK

    HyPnOtiK Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2007
    Messages:
    2,402
    Likes Received:
    156
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Occupation:
    Network Installer
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pa
    One has jumped in and immediately has been his team's #1 playing top line minutes with excellent defense. The other was the teams 3rd best defenseman playing sheltered minutes, now plays with a top 10 defenseman and still gets easier minutes.

    I love how you throw out offensive numbers without context, Werenski is a PP specialist and was outscored last year ES by Provorov and this year by a very sizable margin, that mixed in with the fact Provorov is clearly better defensively this is an easy decision.

    Werenski would be the 3rd best defenseman in Philly.
     
  17. blinds

    blinds Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Messages:
    2,817
    Likes Received:
    178
    Trophy Points:
    81
    When did we start judging defensemen purely by points?
     
    AnimalFear and The S5 like this.
  18. Filthy Dangles

    Filthy Dangles Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2014
    Messages:
    10,852
    Likes Received:
    7,619
    Trophy Points:
    151
    I see Ryan Suter in Provorov.

    Not sure who I see in Werenski but he's a great one too.

    People who don't know puck.
    Evaluating defensemen
    Posting their point totals

    pick one
     
  19. Striiker

    Striiker Striiker 3.0: Anti-Troll Edition

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    37,612
    Likes Received:
    22,979
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    Kind of like a slightly better scoring MacDonald?
     
  20. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2013
    Messages:
    30,775
    Likes Received:
    4,421
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    New York
    Werenski. More dynamic.
     
  21. WubbaLubbaDubDub

    WubbaLubbaDubDub And that's why I always say, Shumshumschilpiddydah

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    10,304
    Likes Received:
    1,183
    Trophy Points:
    140
    Location:
    C-137
    While they are both dmen, they play different styles of hockey. Zach is a much more offensive based defenseman. Which suites the Jackets extremely well, when the D is pinching in on play after play it can really wear a team down knowing that when Jones or Werenski are on the ice that either of them could jump in behind the play and be left wide open.

    Where as Provorov is a much more solid two way defenseman and can be thrown into pretty much any situation.

    For the Jackets Werenski is perfect because they already have a cornerstone defender in Jones and have the depth behind them to give Zach all the offensive opportunities he can handle while letting others take some harder minutes.

    Where as Provorov was perfect for the flyers as they didn't have a cornerstone Dman to build around. Getting Provorov not only gave them someone to build around it allows Ghost to play more to his style like Werenski.
     
  22. Juicy Pop

    Juicy Pop The Eye of Hextall

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    6,750
    Likes Received:
    1,520
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    Scranton, PA
    Do take into account that Provorov has been carrying around farmer MacDonald for most of his career whereas Werenski has been with Jones almost exclusively.

    Also, in regards to production, Provorov has been a better producer at ES [53 to 48 points] but has not had the benefit of PP1 time due to the existence of Ghost. That said, Werenski is likely the better PPQB anyways.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2018
    Jtown likes this.
  23. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    26,560
    Likes Received:
    16,080
    Trophy Points:
    141
    good points. I decided to amend my position and I think they're equal
     
  24. mikeyp24

    mikeyp24 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2014
    Messages:
    4,861
    Likes Received:
    726
    Trophy Points:
    103
    Weresnki keeps getting called a PP specialist and talking about the 1pp... He plays 2nd unit. Jones is the top PPQB.

    There was no reason for this thread. Weresnki his entire career will never get credit because he plays with Jones. It doesn't matter how good of a defender he is. If Prov ever gets a 2nd defender on his team in their fans eyes then it will be Prov doesn't need him to do good like Werenski needed Jones it just so happens that they play togeter he gets the numbers regardless.

    There are actual Philly fans who think Ghost is a better defender too. Weresnki will always be stuck behind Jones's reputation on a small market expansion team while Provy plays in Philly on a historic team.

    You got to see both play tonight wonder who played better and what the excuse will be as to why he was outplayed?
     
    Jackets Fan likes this.
  25. Winston Wolf

    Winston Wolf Registered User

    Joined:
    May 15, 2003
    Messages:
    10,916
    Likes Received:
    2,910
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Oahu, HI
    It probably also has to do with Werenski being #5 in ice time among Blue Jackets defensemen tonight. Can you find an instance of the same for Provorov even once in his career? Good luck with that.

    Provorov has had an overall very good season with a few stretches of substandard play. When that happens, the Flyers have nowhere to hide him, unlike the Blue Jackets with Werenski. I've also read a whole bunch of Blue Jackets fans concerned about Werenski's play this year and you've been silent after hijacking every thread about young defensemen into Werenski threads the past year before this season. Or do you still think Werenski is the superior defenseman in every way like you expounded upon regularly before the season started?
     
    AnimalFear likes this.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"