Post-Game Talk: Welcome to Edmonton, Macklin Celebrini!

[oXo Cube]

The worst thing about Dustin Schwartz is that both the org and the media that have spent a near decade defending this fraud will be stabbing approximately all of the knives in his back 5 minutes after he's gone.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Not that I had much faith in Holland to begin with but he completely lost me after that whole "You can't squeeze other GMs" nonsense.

Like f*** that, you're getting paid more than any GM in the league to build a winning roster and you're more worried about other GMs getting pissed because you fleeced them? If they're stupid that's not your fault.

He's old school and believes in long term relationships which I don't disagree with. The NHL is a small community of execs and everyone knows everyone. Favors get done and returned.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Waive Brown and bring up Lavoie. It's not that hard

Holland has way too big of a cup full of pride to chug that bitter taste down.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He's old school and believes in long term relationships which I don't disagree with. The NHL is a small community of execs and everyone knows everyone. Favors get done and returned.

We have been doing teams favours for over a decade. We gifted Anaheim a cup. In turn they gifted Vegas a top pairing defenseman in Theodore.

The Avs swindle teams all the time. But people still trade with them.

 

[foshizzle]

Question- if the Oilers had Campbell playing the way he did in Minnesota (he is the only reason it wasn’t 11-3) do the Oilers beat Vegas last year?

 

[TheNumber4]

He's old school and believes in long term relationships which I don't disagree with. The NHL is a small community of execs and everyone knows everyone. Favors get done and returned.

Dudes less than two years to retirement? When are these favours going to get returned?

 

[foshizzle]

We have been doing teams favours for over a decade. We gifted Anaheim a cup. In turn they gifted Vegas a top pairing defenseman in Theodore.

The Avs swindle teams all the time. But people still trade with them.

Avs have a GM that is far, far brighter than Holland can ever hope to be

 

[bone]

Question- if the Oilers had Campbell playing the way he did in Minnesota (he is the only reason it wasn’t 11-3) do the Oilers beat Vegas last year?

No. The dam eventually broke with Campbell last night so it would have broke in the playoffs with the specific version of him we saw last night.

I'm more confident they win with the version of Campbell that played out the string last year, than the version from last night. Particularly as some of those great saves in the second had an element of luck to them.

 

[brentashton]

How many did it take tip again? 10 straight?

The team situation at that time and Tip’s tenure as a known entity (and Hollands legendary patience) probably bought Tip an extra couple of games. Woody and Manson as NHL coach neophytes have to be on the edge of the plank. One more no show and I think they fall.nearing the 10% of season gone point. Wait another 6 games so your 20 points back of VGK?

 

[mkatcherin00]

I would consider it mainly because I was surprised how much an offensive force that Flames team was when they did buy in for him. Gaudreau and Tkachuk had ridiculous offensive improvement, so did like half the team.

They played an extremely aggressive offensive style (probably too aggressive against us, it got them in trouble).

But defensively he is still a great defensive structure coach.

He wants to coach McDavid/Draisaitl IMO, I think he knows exactly what to do with this much talent.

He got JG, etc to buy in

Their goal differential was insane.

Their 3 lines were ok, nothing great in that regards. That is what stands out to me. How much buy in he got from his top line. Still got their points, but were great defensively. Imagine our top 2 guys with around 90-100 points and being +50

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He got JG, etc to buy in

Their goal differential was insane.

Their 3 lines were ok, nothing great in that regards. That is what stands out to me. How much buy in he got from his top line. Still got their points, but were great defensively. Imagine our top 2 guys with around 90-100 points and being +50

Hes good for a year, and then his ways fall off quick, but im fine with that.

 

[brentashton]

Hes good for a year, and then his ways fall off quick, but im fine with that.

@Cloned needs to set up a new poll/Pole/pol

Sutter v Quenneville

who comes in to replace Woodcraft?

Who is better suited for this “roster” WHEN JJ makes his change “

 

[McAsuno]

 

[Oilers]

Q is not happening. Dude literally signed a letter of recommendation for a guy who he likely knew was abusing players to go be around kids. I don't even think the NHL will allow it.

There is nothing Babcock, Sutter, etc. have done that even remotely compares to that.

NHL is as poor a run league as any. I wouldn’t be surprised if Q gets another sniff at being a coach.

Bruins somehow picked up Mitchell Miller and let him go again after a week of backlash from fans.

Lol NHL bans pride tape at beginning of the season then goes back on it after one player uses it.

 

[Yuke]

Anybody else could correct me if I'm wrong.
But yeah, I think that would work. Would Holland do it? Nope.
Erne taking a spot over the likes of Bourgault, Lavoie, and Pederson is just inexcusable. I have no idea what they think he brings to the NHL team, but eyetest and statwise, Erne has done jack shit to warrant staying in the NHL. At least Devin Shore last year was a well liked player in the room and was a 13th/14th forward. Erne? Disgusts me that he wears 21. Makes me miss seeing Kostin on this team even more.

Erne playing just shows how NHL bad or not ready those other guys are.
Gagne will be up shortly, Erne is just holding his spot

 

[OiledUp]

@Cloned needs to set up a new poll/Pole/pol

Sutter v Quenneville

who comes in to replace Woodcraft?

Who is better suited for this “roster” WHEN JJ makes his change “

Oh we all now who Holland will bring in after Woody is fired. Let’s hope the boys have their summer photos in order.

 

[harpoon]

till Kane score the garbage time goal.

Was it really ‘garbage time’ though? That goal made the score 5-4 with seven minutes left. If this team had any spine, any pride, there was still plenty of time to at least get a point out of the game. Instead they just folded up. Talk about weak.

 

[Sanderson]

Is that really newsworthy though?

Topline of the farmteam scres 3 points in 3 games with lots of icetime and against much weaker competition than in the NHL. Shocking. It's not like they are setting the world on fire down there. They'd probably sit at exactly 0 points if used in the spot of those NHL-players who have none so far. Minus perhaps in the cases of Brown and McLeod. Such a comment would perhaps be noteworthy if they had racked up 2+ points per game over those three games.

Not to mention that "9 guys without a point" is also rather misleading, seeing how three of those are bottom-pairing defensive-defensemen who are hardly expected to score many points at all. Kulak got 2 points out of his first 14 games last season, Broberg one out of 13 games, Desharnais started quite hot with three points in five games, but also ended the season with 1 point in 27 games or so. Them having none so far is anything but unexpected.

Nothing wrong with asking whether Lavoie should have made the roster, or whether Bourgault would have offered more offense than some of the players on the roster right now, but the way it is presented in that tweet is just weird. Switch these players and the outcome wouldn't change much at all.

 

[foshizzle]

No. The dam eventually broke with Campbell last night so it would have broke in the playoffs with the specific version of him we saw last night.

I'm more confident they win with the version of Campbell that played out the string last year, than the version from last night. Particularly as some of those great saves in the second had an element of luck to them.

The damn didn’t break- it was the wide open one-timers in the slot that prime Hasek couldn’t save.

I agree they win with Campbell. My point is why overhaul the whole defence when the weak link was goaltending

 

[Dazed and Confused]

While he is an asset offensively, Bouch has been an absolute train wreck defensively to start this season. Like, Lac Mégantic levels of disaster.

They cannot continue giving him top 4 assignments, it's killing the team. Hell, I'm not sure I'd trust him on the 3rd pairing atm. Considering they have to go 11-7, I wouldn't be opposed to moving him to forward for the time being. That, or back to the time-share with Desharnais, where Bouch gets all the offensive usage, and Vinny all the defensive situations.

At least until he gets his head out of his a*s.

Nurse-Ekholm (until Ekholm gets up to speed, as he isn't able to carry his own pair at the moment.)
Broberg-Ceci (zero frills paring)
Kulak-Vinny/Bouchard (with those two only getting specialist usage)

 

[Munber1]

At this time, I think if i was the coach i wouldn't be focussed on the scoring or even if they won or lost a game. I would examine the game and point out things like where someone did or didn't put the effort into winning puck battles, how quickly they rushed the opponent when they had the puck to give the other team less time to make a good pass, their defensive awareness, and the other such things......

I'd let the players know that I'm closely watching and focussing on the plays that go into building a strong foundation and I wouldn't even mention the goals for or against...I'd just go thru the game and give due credit for all the won puck battles, rushes, etc whether or not it ended up as a scoring chance for or against...playing the game well is mostly under the player's control, where the end result is much less so and can be influenced by luck...lack of control causes anxiety...

I think that right now there is too much increasing importance and pressure being placed on the end result and it's taking the focus away from the things they need to do...they obviously have more skill than what is currently showing on the scoreboard and the standings, so their focus must be off which results in wasted effort...and thinking about the score and end result can have them too relaxed when they are ahead and too deflated when they are scored against...letting the players know the spotlight is currently not on the score but on the small plays that make up the game should help them calm down and play better...later in the season, after the team has once again established good habits and gained confidence they can think more about the score and strive for the end result...

if players start to think too soon about winning the cup or even the game it can be deflating for them when they are scored against since it is a threat to their identity as a team that is supposed to win...if their identity is a team that works hard and smart for 60 minutes, getting scored against should not shake them up much, other than causing them to examine their play to see if they made any mistakes...i've only seen a few of their games but it seems to me that the other teams can keep the pressure on longer than the Oilers can, as the opponent kind of expects the Oilers to get discouraged at some point...but if the Oilers' identity is more in line with a team that works hard for 60 minutes, that shouldn't happen...well of course i know it's not as simple as that, just felt like posting a stupid comment before i hit the sack....sorry i didn't have time to edit it

 

[Drivesaitl]

Was it really ‘garbage time’ though? That goal made the score 5-4 with seven minutes left. If this team had any spine, any pride, there was still plenty of time to at least get a point out of the game. Instead they just folded up. Talk about weak.

Zero percent of me felt the team was coming back. I fully expected minny to just continue to score and stomp us. A PP deflection that went against the grain of play in which Minny was dominating chances didn't change a thing.

 

[KCC]

The damn didn’t break- it was the wide open one-timers in the slot that prime Hasek couldn’t save.

I agree they win with Campbell. My point is why overhaul the whole defence when the weak link was goaltending

The media and a lot of people were picking EDM to win the cup but that was before anyone knew Woody would go rogue and as you mentioned and overhaul the defensive system. Everyone is running around because they don't know what they are doing with this weird zone garbage. lol.

Every part of their game has suffered because of it. If Woody doesn't switch back so the team can try and turn this around they will be out of it by December. I don't wish him to get fired because I do think he's a decent enough coach but at this point he has to recognize that it's not a system that works well for this team. Then again this is someone who stuck by Skinner even though everyone and their mothers knew Campbell should have started in the Vegas series so who even knows anymore. lol

 

[foshizzle]

The media and a lot of people were picking EDM to win the cup but that was before anyone knew Woody would go rogue and as you mentioned and overhaul the defensive system. Everyone is running around because they don't know what they are doing with this weird zone garbage. lol.

Every part of their game has suffered because of it. If Woody doesn't switch back so the team can try and turn this around they will be out of it by December. I don't wish him to get fired because I do think he's a decent enough coach but at this point he has to recognize that it's not a system that works well for this team. Then again this is someone who stuck by Skinner even though everyone and their mothers knew Campbell should have started in the Vegas series so who even knows anymore. lol

Just listening to his presser today. He is talking about how good his zone is and how they are giving up only a few chances and goals. Wtf is he watching.

 

[joestevens29]

While he is an asset offensively, Bouch has been an absolute train wreck defensively to start this season. Like, Lac Mégantic levels of disaster.

They cannot continue giving him top 4 assignments, it's killing the team. Hell, I'm not sure I'd trust him on the 3rd pairing atm. Considering they have to go 11-7, I wouldn't be opposed to moving him to forward for the time being. That, or back to the time-share with Desharnais, where Bouch gets all the offensive usage, and Vinny all the defensive situations.

At least until he gets his head out of his a*s.

Nurse-Ekholm (until Ekholm gets up to speed, as he isn't able to carry his own pair at the moment.)
Broberg-Ceci (zero frills paring)
Kulak-Vinny/Bouchard (with those two only getting specialist usage)

I mentioned in the game day thread that McCurdy suggested

Nurse-Ceci
Ekholm-Desharnais
Kulak-Bouchard
Broberg

Apparently the Nurse-Ceci pairing by far is doing better than the rest so no one really wants to touch that line.

The thought behind Ekholm-Desharnais is Ekholm isn't up to speed and Desharnais plays a lot safer game so Ekholm can focus on his game for now.

Problem is McCurdy also mentioned kulak is banged up, so how much of a tire fire is that pairing potentially?

Think the consensus is Bouchard needs his minutes cut. With an 11-7 lineup it allows you a lot of chances to try different things.

The major problem that I brought up many times since we started 11-7 and no one ever talks about it, is there is no familiarity. This is a club that has breakdowns all the time defensively. How does having a rotating defense make that any better? At some point they have to figure out who the 6 are and how they fit. Yes we are stuck with it right now and due to the cap probably a good chunk of the year, but at some point it needs to go away.